Cedar Fair or Six Flags
Which do you like better?, Cedar Fair, or Six Flags parks?. I personally like Six Flags parks better because they have a wide variety of everything, and the themeing for the rides are always the best. They took Iron Wolf, and made it look amazing!!
Honestly, I think they both do some thing well, but they both could stand to do some things better. They're both guilty of stuff like multi-parking rides (6F placing SUF and BTR in multiple parks, Cedar Fair with Windseeker) and shuffling rides from one park to another (Chang, Dominator, Iron Wolf, etc)
Operationally, I don't know. FlashPass was my biggest beef with 6F operations...always seemed like "class warfare" to me. Also seemed like everything from food-service to locker pricing was designed to milk you for money. Now Cedar has introduced "FastLane". We'll see.
Favorite rides? Can't say...I have only been to one 6F park (GAdv) and two Cedar Fair ones (CP, KD). Putting GAdv up against Cedar Point (probably the two "coaster giant" parks in America), CP is my personal preference. Your personal preference may differ depending on what you like in a ride.
When you ask yourself the question, though...it really makes you appreciate parks like Hershey for providing unique ride experiences you can't get anywhere else. And because it isn't a "franchise", they can afford to undertake many more unique endeavors. HP amazes me every time I go there, the way they have used the natural landscape around that creek to give their rides maximum effect. (although it does shorten the ride-time as well) Busch Gardens, although they have two sites and are owned by SeaWorld, is kind of the same way...everything they have is unique. They don't import, they don't homogenize, and they offer a complete experience, rather than just a lot full of coasters.
Give me a smaller run corporate type park (such as Hershey or Kennywood)or a family run park (Knoebel's and/or Holiday World) where the parks actually give a damn about their patrons.
Corporations hide behind numerous addresses, phone numbers, email addresses and you have to jump through hoops to contact them or even get a response from the park in general.
If I email a smaller run corporate park or family run park, I not only get a response, but I get it in a timely manner and the premise behind the email to me says they actually care about your business.
For example, I live in NE Ohio, home to Cedar Point. I live less than 2 hours from the park actually. I would rather drive 7 hours to Holiday World or Beech Bend that has less rides in general than to Cedar Point. It's a price thing with me, no parking fees at either park, while the admission can be high, Holiday World and Beech Bend has drinks included. That saves my family 20-30 bucks a visit.
To me, its really all about guest experience. If you treat your guests like you actually care about your job and your park that you work for you are making people feel better about your park and will have them coming back year after year. That's all it takes for me.
So...my answer is still neither.
When did Beech Bend start doing free drinks? they weren't doing it on my only visit back in '07. I do remember finding fresh brewed iced tea..an amusement park rarity..in the snack bar attached to Kentucky Rumbler.
Although many of my favorite rides are at SF/CF parks, I do prefer the experience of parks like Kennywood and Knoebels, mainly due to the variety, and less hectic feel. After all, I can't ride monstrous, speeding, beat-you-up mega-coasters all day...can I? :) Don't answer that..it was a rhetorical question.
Mike
Kids are huddled on the beach in a mist...
In the end, I think it depends on my mood. I love me some Disney, and also IOA and Universal. Big parks are fun, and if you have the money to burn for a day of fun, it's an AMAZING experience!
If I don't have the huge bucks to spend, and I just want a really good day, you basically get that from the small parks on a consistent basis.
So for me, it's based on my mood/money situation. I like both.
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beastmaster said:
Welcome back, Katie! Long time, no read :)!
When did Beech Bend start doing free drinks? they weren't doing it on my only visit back in '07. I do remember finding fresh brewed iced tea..an amusement park rarity..in the snack bar attached to Kentucky Rumbler.
I believe it was last year or this year they started doing the free drinks thing. It works for a park that small and taking the trend from Holiday World, I think that helps their business.
Yeah, I have been around but more reading than posting. It gets busy a lot around my house. :-)
mugen828 said:
It's a tough choice for me. As some people like to bash six flags/cedar fair parks for being bigger and "less caring", I sometimes converse with workers and end up finding really nice people working there. So sometimes you can get the awesome rides a bigger park offers, and get some nice service. Although, it's not typical.
In the end, I think it depends on my mood. I love me some Disney, and also IOA and Universal. Big parks are fun, and if you have the money to burn for a day of fun, it's an AMAZING experience!If I don't have the huge bucks to spend, and I just want a really good day, you basically get that from the small parks on a consistent basis.
I love the amusement parks you can stay at like Hershey. every night I'd go to sleep excited knowing I'm sleeping where a bunch of big coasters are. They are quite relaxing, you can just walk out of you place, and go to a coaster whenever you feel like it.
So for me, it's based on my mood/money situation. I like both.
Fatsoccerguy191 said:
[quoteyou can just walk out of you place, and go to a coaster whenever you feel like it.
Even at 3:00 a.m.?
Kids are huddled on the beach in a mist...
The conclusion that I have come to is that I love all the parks. I really can't choose a favorite corporation. Every Six Flags and Cedar Fair park is ran completely different from one another. You have the horror stories of SF Fiesta Texas compared to the most friendly employees I have encountered at SF America. The way Kennywood and Lake Compounce are ran are completely different from each other. Disney and Busch parks try to provide a whole different park experience that you find in Six Flags or Cedar Fair. The best coasters are spread out through all the corporations. Some of the best wooden coasters are located in the smaller parks.
The best thing to do is to try and visit as many different parks as possible. There are Six Flags that I love and some that don't meet my expectations. Same could be said for Cedar Fair. I was disappointed in Sea World in Texas, but love the one in Florida. I don't know all the factors of why there are so many differences in parks of the same chain, but the differences are very noticeable. So I really can't choose a certain corporation over another. There is just certain parks I like better than others.
Cedar Fair parks, in general and in my opinion, are more cleaner than SF and CF has been pumping capital into all parks across the chain. SF on the other hand throws money at the two flagship parks on opposite coasts and neglects other parks in the chain.
I'll never forgive CF for closing down GL but you can't change history.
I think the overall quality of CF is superior to SF.
And the SF park here is MD is nothing but a wasteland of used carnival attractions. When have I ever slammed SFA? :) I'm pretty P.O.ed at SFA Management right now.
Joe
Great_Ump
PS- FatSoccerGuy, you also know me as Jeapugrad on SFAFans.
I give the edge to Six Flags. They tend to take risks and introduce cutting edge rides whereas Cedar Fair tends to follow and just make those rides bigger. SFStL, SFOG and SFGAm are in my top ten favorites while Kings Island and the former Geauga Lake are the only CF parks on that list. I also haven't had a bad visit to the parks I've been to and have also had interactions with some very nice employees.
Cedar Fair parks may be cleaner and their operations are a tad better than Six Flags however I also feel that some of their employees, especially at CP, seem robotic in their jobs.
The thing I hate the most with Cedar Fair is how they have made their parks so sterile. Under Kinzel's reign they seemed to be bent on paving over everything in their parks. Thankfully Kings Dominion has/had been spared but Kings Island and even parts of Carowinds just seem too open with little shade. We all know Cedar Point is very guilty in that aspect as far as the front of the park is concerned.
You would think that I hate Cedar Fair for the way they closed Geauga Lake, and yes it still stings a bit five years after the fact, but that was the old company. I'm looking forward to seeing what Mr. Ouimet has in store for the futre of the parks and the company.
G-Dog
Great_Ump said:
Answering the question and not avoiding it like KATIE (love you honey bun, FRUITY PEBBLES!!) I'll take CF over SF.
Love you too smartie pants.
If I were to answer that question it would be Cedar Fair. They do take risks (they just don't do them well). I haven't been to a SF in awhile (frankly there isn't one near me). I've been to a few CF parks in the last two years and I have a great time at each.
I don't particularly like the fact that they charge out the wazoo for food (that sucks balls). But, I get around that by bringing my own food. They really won me over a few weeks ago at Cedar Point with a buy a souvenir cup (for 6 bucks), add $5 all day unlimited refills and I wasn't wasting $30 bucks in soda.
I can go on and on and on about what Cedar Fair does to piss me off, but I can't really say I haven't had a bad day in any of their parks recently.
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beastmaster said:
Fatsoccerguy191 said:
[quoteyou can just walk out of you place, and go to a coaster whenever you feel like it.
Even at 3:00 a.m.?
Yup :)
Great_Ump said:
Answering the question and not avoiding it like KATIE (love you honey bun, FRUITY PEBBLES!!) I'll take CF over SF.
Cedar Fair parks, in general and in my opinion, are more cleaner than SF and CF has been pumping capital into all parks across the chain. SF on the other hand throws money at the two flagship parks on opposite coasts and neglects other parks in the chain.I'll never forgive CF for closing down GL but you can't change history.
I think the overall quality of CF is superior to SF.
And the SF park here is MD is nothing but a wasteland of used carnival attractions. When have I ever slammed SFA? :) I'm pretty P.O.ed at SFA Management right now.
Joe
Great_UmpPS- FatSoccerGuy, you also know me as Jeapugrad on SFAFans.
Jepugrad?, long time no talk!, I stopped with SFAFANS :( because whenever I go there, there are always slow capacity rides, that they still have NOT managed well, and I have more fun at KD, I still love because it's my home park, but it's not it's best right now . It's great to see that i can still connect with some of the old members though!!
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beastmaster said:
Welcome back, Katie! Long time, no read :)!
When did Beech Bend start doing free drinks? they weren't doing it on my only visit back in '07. I do remember finding fresh brewed iced tea..an amusement park rarity..in the snack bar attached to Kentucky Rumbler.Although many of my favorite rides are at SF/CF parks, I do prefer the experience of parks like Kennywood and Knoebels, mainly due to the variety, and less hectic feel. After all, I can't ride monstrous, speeding, beat-you-up mega-coasters all day...can I? :) Don't answer that..it was a rhetorical question.
Mike
I was at Beech Bend in last year and they had unlimited free soft drinks. Also at Lake Compounce last year they had unlimited free soft drinks.
frontrow said:
I was at Beech Bend in last year and they had unlimited free soft drinks. Also at Lake Compounce last year they had unlimited free soft drinks.
I know about Compounce and Holiday World's freebies. Just didn't know Beech Bend had gone down that pleasant path.
Messed up the quotes..mea maxima culpa. Sorry.
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Geauga_Dog said:
Like frontrow stated I like all parks. I even look for redeeming qualities at the worst of them and thankfully I haven't found a park yet that I dislike.
I give the edge to Six Flags. They tend to take risks and introduce cutting edge rides whereas Cedar Fair tends to follow and just make those rides bigger. SFStL, SFOG and SFGAm are in my top ten favorites while Kings Island and the former Geauga Lake are the only CF parks on that list. I also haven't had a bad visit to the parks I've been to and have also had interactions with some very nice employees.Cedar Fair parks may be cleaner and their operations are a tad better than Six Flags however I also feel that some of their employees, especially at CP, seem robotic in their jobs.
The thing I hate the most with Cedar Fair is how they have made their parks so sterile. Under Kinzel's reign they seemed to be bent on paving over everything in their parks. Thankfully Kings Dominion has/had been spared but Kings Island and even parts of Carowinds just seem too open with little shade. We all know Cedar Point is very guilty in that aspect as far as the front of the park is concerned.
You would think that I hate Cedar Fair for the way they closed Geauga Lake, and yes it still stings a bit five years after the fact, but that was the old company. I'm looking forward to seeing what Mr. Ouimet has in store for the futre of the parks and the company.
G-Dog
Well G-Dog I have to agree with you on the issue of the parks being stripped down. I miss the old pre paramount days at Kings Island where you have trees everywhere on the paths. The place is a shadow of its former self. And I do hope Ouimet as well can turn the parks around.
I myself have been to a park from both chains in the last 2 months; Kings Island and Great America, and I found things good and bad at both parks, but based on how the days went I preferred my Great America visit. But GA is an exceptional park, IMO light years above Kings Island, but its downfall all the flat rides there run horribly slow programs.
During my recent visit to Kings Island, I noticed their lack of operations; their saving grace was how friendly the staff at the food joints were.
For both parks I hate Fast Lane/Flash Pass, cause they were cycling through 3x's the people from those lines then the GP, which shows you pay more you get better treatment. And I don't think when you're having the gp stand in under shaded queues that is customer friendly. I think they need to go away, or be made free with admission (thank you Disney)
As for rides; both chains have good rides, but as previously stated they are not evenly distributed. Based on ride quality of each parks, in the SF Chain I had more fun at Great America and Kings Dominion than I did at the other parks in their chains.
And I would gladly take Holiday World, Hershey, Dollywood, or Knoebels over the big 2 anyday. I feel my money is put to good use, they have diverse rides that are well taken care of, and the employees are lights years above any other.
Fatsoccerguy191 said:
I have a FastLane with my Cedar Fair Kings Dominion platinum pass
You mean you buy one each time you go, or they sell it for the whole season? Because as far as I know..and I have a Platinum Pass from KD myself...it sure as hell doesn't come with the pass. Or am I just uninformed about how Fast Lane is sold as it relates to passes? Your phrasing implies you got it with your pass.
*EDIT* Never mind, I got the answer from FAQ on KD's site:
http://www.kingsdominion.com/what-s-new/new-fast-lane
I don't know if you're just making things up as you go along, fatsoccerguy, but if you are, it's no way to be accepted as a viable poster on the site.
Mike
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Fatsoccerguy191 said:
I have to say, if there weren't FastLane/ Flashpass, wouldn't that make the regular line longer?. Flashpass people can just come and go.
Probably reopening the big can of worms that was hashed out in April, but the way Cedar Fair handles it, no. If I get in line the same time as a fast pass person, they ride 1st. Every person who gets in line after them is a person that goes in front of me. Its no different than the old "excuse me, excuse me" people that push their way to the front of the line without waiting. After so many, it adds on to your wait time. Also, with the unlimited nature of the Cedar Fair version, these people don't have to come and go. They can keep riding as long as they want (and some on this board have professed to doing just that.)
If every one had to wait in line, the line would move at a steady pace and everyone would get to ride in the order they arrived at the ride.
But Fast Lane is not about fairness of waiting your turn. It's about selling something for profit, something that doesn't cost the park anything.
Paul
beastmaster said:
Fatsoccerguy191 said:
I have a FastLane with my Cedar Fair Kings Dominion platinum passYou mean you buy one each time you go, or they sell it for the whole season? Because as far as I know..and I have a Platinum Pass from KD myself...it sure as hell doesn't come with the pass. Or am I just uninformed about how Fast Lane is sold as it relates to passes? Your phrasing implies you got it with your pass.
*EDIT* Never mind, I got the answer from FAQ on KD's site:
http://www.kingsdominion.com/what-s-new/new-fast-lane
I don't know if you're just making things up as you go along, fatsoccerguy, but if you are, it's no way to be accepted as a viable poster on the site.
Mike
He absolutely implied that and NO PARKS give any type of "season fast passes". You have to purchase them separately each day you go. SF does give SP holders a discount but that's about it.
Jen
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GoYanks34 said:[/poster. SF does give SP holders a discount but that's about it.
Jen
They do?
I must be under a rock, I didn't know that.
Then again, I haven't bought a SF Flash Pass in a while and can't even guess when the next time will be.
Then again, I'm old, I may have just forgotten if I got a discount!
Mike B.
MABrider said:
GoYanks34 said:[/poster. SF does give SP holders a discount but that's about it.
Jen
They do?
I must be under a rock, I didn't know that.
Then again, I haven't bought a SF Flash Pass in a while and can't even guess when the next time will be.
Then again, I'm old, I may have just forgotten if I got a discount!Mike B.
It's only 5% but every little bit helps, especially if you have a few people on it. That's why I don't buy them online anymore - you can only get the discount if you present your pass when you buy it.
Jen
Fatsoccerguy191 said:
That's kind of what I meant. They come in wristbands. I get them whenever I go to a CF park. Which is why I obviously wrote, " WITH my Platinum Pass", not "it comes with it!!!". I think you should have read more clearly before accusing me of "making things up". Or maybe what I wrote didn't make sense. I never usually need a Flashpass at Six Flags parks, which is why I never buy them, except for once when I got one for free after being stuck on a ride for a period of time.
I misunderstood your post also. In fact after reading it, I went directly to Kings Dominion's web site. If that type of upgrade existed, I wanted to know how much it cost. I would be very interested in that type of upgrade. Apparently Mike, Jen, and myself came to that conclusion because how it was written. I'm 36 years and have been traveling the country to ride coasters since I was 21 or 22. I joined URC almost 2 years ago. In that time I have learned so much from the members of URC. People like Jen, Mike, and many others on here have gone out of their way to provide me with useful information that has benefited me in so many ways. It's good that you're young and love coasters, but there are people like myself who have been doing this for a long time. It seems that I learn something new everyday. It's not a contest of who knows the most, or how many coasters you've ridden. This is a forum that I use to gain knowledge, pass on the knowledge that I have, and share stories about my hobby with other people who share that same hobby. I have typos, misspelled words, and grammar errors all the time. I sometimes confuse people, because of how I wrote something. It's not a big deal. Everyone on this forum is very understanding. I understand your post now, after you explained it. Don't take it personal, it was just a misunderstanding.
Ken
I was 16 when I first started posting here back in '97.
Lord knows I caused a lot of melodramatics here.
Hehehehehehehehehe
Go back and do a search for all the "GR8 Ump" posts.
Few are still around from those days.
Where has Sparky been btw? He hasn't been stalking me on FB lately.
LOL
Joe
Great_Ump
Great_Ump said:
Lord knows I caused a lot of melodramatics here.
Hehehehehehehehehe
Joe
Great_Ump
You? NEVER! LOL!
I didn't think I was being hard on him - I thought that's what he meant and once he cleared it up I understood it. No big deal.
There have been many times I've been crucified on here for choosing the wrong words, that was nothing! :~)
Jen
And now that they've implemented a fast-pass style system I like Cedar Fair even more (tee hee).
For the rides, there is something worth while in almost all parks; big chains, small chains, family owned single places all have something to offer. Disney is for families, Busch Gardens / Sea World have real beauty but less rides, and I'm still not sure where Universal fits in. Some parks like Darien Lake, Kennywood, Mt. Olympus, and Indiana Beach did not make me happy. Others like Holiday World, Legoland Florida, Knoebels, Magic Springs, Nickelodeon Universe, and Waldameer had some good things that I didn't expect.
theRock-steel said:
Fast Lane seems to work great for going on every ride once and some several times. Six Flags would over-charge you for doing the same thing.
This makes no sense since a Flash Pass is cheaper than Fast Lane and SF entrances prices are lower than most of CF's parks, especially with the discounts you can get.
Jen
GoYanks34 said:
theRock-steel said:
Fast Lane seems to work great for going on every ride once and some several times. Six Flags would over-charge you for doing the same thing.
This makes no sense since a Flash Pass is cheaper than Fast Lane and SF entrances prices are lower than most of CF's parks, especially with the discounts you can get.
Jen
On line Cedar Point could be $50 for a Fast Lane and $45 to get in. Canada's Wonderland could be $45 and $46. At Six Flags you have to wait for your Flash Pass to allow you on a ride. A gold or platinum is needed to "enjoy a significant reduction in wait time allowing you to ride more rides with less wait" or riding twice consecutively. At Great Adventure they could $80 or $120 even though getting in is $43. Magic Mountain could be $75 or $105 for the passes yet you are in the gate at $45. Worse yet you have to pay an additional fee for a pass including just one time on X2. It sounds like you should just try to stay an extra day and hope you get to ride everything again if you what. Season passes at those two SF parks are $75 each.
theRock-steel said:
GoYanks34 said:
theRock-steel said:
Fast Lane seems to work great for going on every ride once and some several times. Six Flags would over-charge you for doing the same thing.
This makes no sense since a Flash Pass is cheaper than Fast Lane and SF entrances prices are lower than most of CF's parks, especially with the discounts you can get.
Jen
On line Cedar Point could be $50 for a Fast Lane and $45 to get in. Canada's Wonderland could be $45 and $46. At Six Flags you have to wait for your Flash Pass to allow you on a ride. A gold or platinum is needed to "enjoy a significant reduction in wait time allowing you to ride more rides with less wait" or riding twice consecutively. At Great Adventure they could $80 or $120 even though getting in is $43. Magic Mountain could be $75 or $105 for the passes yet you are in the gate at $45. Worse yet you have to pay an additional fee for a pass including just one time on X2. It sounds like you should just try to stay an extra day and hope you get to ride everything again if you what. Season passes at those two SF parks are $75 each.
Flash pass isn't necessary at most SF parks I've been to. I'm assuming you'll need one at MM because that's a really famous one. You really need a FastLane at most Cedar Fair parks like, California's Great America, and Kings Island. It's not really needed at Dorney though. In plus isn't a Flashpass for a day only like $15?, maybe they bumped it up since I checked, but if so that's not bad.
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Fatsoccerguy191 said:
plus isn't a Flashpass for a day only like $15.
Maybe in Bizarro World. I've certainly never seen it or heard of it, but I haven't been to every Six Flags, sooo...
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theRock-steel said:
Again, the normal SF one ($45) makes you wait to use it and because of that you may only get one shot on many rides.
That sucks. A Flashpass isn't really worth it. a FastLane really helped me out at Kings Island, and California's Great America though.
1)A six flags season pass is usually under $100 & is good at all six flags parks around the country. to visit every cedar fair park in the country you need a platinum pass which is over $200.
2)I look very low down on cedar fair after what they did to geauga lake.
the only thing that makes cedar fair better than six flags is better coasters like gatekeeper at cedar point to x flight at six flags great america or afterburn at carowinds to all the batman the ride clones but i still look down on cedar fair after what they did to geauga lake.
skc2000
I'll have to go back and see if I answered it earlier. Right now I'd say it's a tossup.