Major Pain Aboard the Mantis

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.

Was your head hurting from the G-load, or from hitting the restraints?

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.
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This is not exactly related to mantis but since you were at cp were all the coasters running or were some of the coasters down?
I am planning to visit cp in a couple of days from now(not sure exactly which day but it,s going to be in a couple of days from now).ttd, millenium force, raptor, wicked twister & magnum i know the lines won,t be as long as in july but what kind of lines should i expect for these coasters?

skc2000.

All the rides were running and lines were short, but Maverick was closed..

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.
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I had a much better experience on Mantis. I went to CP last summer, and I was surprised that Mantis seemed like a pretty smooth ride compared to other stand-up coasters I have been on. My only problem with Mantis is that we made the mistake of choosing the front row after dark, and therefore we got to be windshields (yuck). I did keep my mouth closed to avoid getting bugs in my teeth!

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.
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Mantis has been known to beat my head up and 'punch' my chest if you will. Not a very female-friendly ride if you ask me, lol.

Don't know about you guys and your particular body parts....

....MommaBeast

I've never understood people's problems with Mantis.

I rode the thing twice and the main thing I remember is positive G's, but no pain or rattling. Seriously, I found the ride to be on par with Raptor in terms of how smooth it was.

It must just like some people and not others, I dunno. :)

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.
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Can we discuss the logic of sitting down in a stand up coaster? I love the sensation of blood being forced to my feet. Gotta be careful on this one or operators will hitch you seat up and cause a kind of wedgy. Then you got though on you tip toes.

> Mantis has been known to beat my head up and 'punch' my
> chest if you will. Not a very female-friendly ride if you
> ask me, lol.

> ....MommaBeast
>

I know exactly what you mean!

> Mantis has been known to beat my head up and 'punch' my
> chest if you will. Not a very female-friendly ride if you
> ask me, lol.

> Don't know about you guys and your particular body
> parts....

> ....MommaBeast

Well...ehem...we, us guys that is, don't particularly enjoy the crotch-buster on stand-up coaster cars. Just not something we want to have between our legs durring a coaster ride. Other than that intrusive piece of material, I found Mantis to be a very fun ride. The reason I might not have had a shakey ride might be because I anticipate the elements and put my head to one side accordingly.

BTW, isn't anything with OTSRs not so female-friendly? I hate to think what you girls go through on flying coasters.

-Josh

I haven't ridden it in 7 years, but I remember my last ride being quite enjoyable, although I did get slightly sore ankles from all the g forces.

> BTW, isn't anything with OTSRs not so female-friendly? I
> hate to think what you girls go through on flying coasters.

> -Josh
>

Not necessarily. Face/Off doesn't bother me, flying coasters certainly don't bother me...as a matter of fact, I can't think of any other OTSR that affect me 'that' way.

It's just that confounded back stretch of Mantis -- where all the track looks like a stretched out FoF (kinda; use your imagination here) that beats the hell outta my chest.

As for male un-friendly rides, my boys absolutely REFUSE to ride Tomb Raider ever, ever again. They said the crunch on that one is totally unbearable. Heck, even the ride op said, "Yeah, I have that problem, too. Just wad up your hoodie and put it between you and the hump in the seat."

My boys said, "Uh, no thanks." And they've stayed true to their words. Haven't been on it in a coon's age.

~MommaBeast

> The reason
> I might not have had a shakey ride might be because I
> anticipate the elements and put my head to one side
> accordingly.

I've done that too to no avail. Perhaps it is our height that makes all the difference in the world. I'm 5'7" (and shrinking me thinks, gah!).

~MommaBeast

> I haven't ridden it in 7 years, but I remember my last ride
> being quite enjoyable, although I did get slightly sore
> ankles from all the g forces.

I last rode Mantis eight years ago and like you I remember it being enjoyable. In fact, everyone in my family felt it was one of the best rides in the park.
I think I remember hearing later on that a brake was added the next year.

Ive been riding Mantis for something like 6 years now. I find it to be a very fun ride. Yeah, its a little rough, but i like rough.

> BTW, isn't anything with OTSRs not so female-friendly? I
> hate to think what you girls go through on flying coasters.

> -Josh

I'm not sure why, but Face/Off made me want to cry when I rode it last September, but like, X-Flight, I don't remember hurting at all, maybe it's just because I was like 10 when I rode it???

~July~

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.
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I like the Mantis because it's the only coaster at CP with a diving loop, I just wish I would remember to bring something to cover my ears like a sky hat.

> I like the Mantis because it's the only coaster at CP with
> a diving loop, I just wish I would remember to bring
> something to cover my ears like a sky hat.

Oh My Gosh, Yes.. Yes!

~July~

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MammaBeast... I had no idea about Tomb Raider bein like that, thanks for the warning (i'm a guy). Question though, I'm going with some girls, should I warn them or is it no prob for you??? Don't laugh! Ride on!

(PS I've sworn off the Mantis @ CP. I have no idea how that one doesn't bug you!! yikes!)

- Paul

I hate Mantis!!!
Always get dragged on and I think standing takes away from the sensations.
It hurts because of head bouncing.
Dont wear earrings.
They say that on Maverick but it needs to be said for Mantis

> MammaBeast... I had no idea about Tomb Raider bein like
> that, thanks for the warning (i'm a guy). Question though,
> I'm going with some girls, should I warn them or is it no
> prob for you??? Don't laugh! Ride on!

> (PS I've sworn off the Mantis @ CP. I have no idea how that
> one doesn't bug you!! yikes!)

> - Paul

Tomb Raider is female-friendly. No worries there.

Also, Mantis *DOES* bother me...re-read my post, lol.

Have fun...

~MommaBeast

I rather enjoyed Mantis unexpectedly. With everyone here taking dump over all things stand up I had written them off before I had even ridden one. Yet, I found it added an entirely new sensation on any sort of drop. It felt more like a free fall for some reason. Far less secure, more dangerous. It was thrilling.

I've only ridden Mantis 2-3 times out of the 5 (almost 6 when I go up this Sunday till Wednesday) and I have no recollection of any pain being put on my feet, legs, or ankles. Still, I will say that I am not a fan of head banging and I did receive that on Mantis....esp. the 1st time I rode it.

> MammaBeast... I had no idea about Tomb Raider bein like
> that, thanks for the warning (i'm a guy). Question though,
> I'm going with some girls, should I warn them or is it no
> prob for you??? Don't laugh! Ride on!

> (PS I've sworn off the Mantis @ CP. I have no idea how that
> one doesn't bug you!! yikes!)

> - Paul

> Tomb Raider is female-friendly. No worries there.

> Also, Mantis *DOES* bother me...re-read my post, lol.

> Have fun...

> ~MommaBeast

Okay so, the girls rode it (Tomb Raider) and I didn't. When they got off they said it was great, and a suprise, and that it was definitely a comfy seat, and i'd be fine. (I didn't get your post till too late). So I rode it. It ... hurt... so... bad. For a long time too. It actually.. nm. Ugh. I can still hear them laughing. (grr)
haha, what I meant was how the SEAT dosen't bother you. It's like spring loaded! Is it literally just fine? Or do you act like it a little to mess w/ us?
Peace, Love, and Roller Coasters, Paul

> Tomb Raider is female-friendly. No worries there.

> Also, Mantis *DOES* bother me...re-read my post, lol.

> Have fun...

> ~MommaBeast

> Okay so, the girls rode it (Tomb Raider) and I didn't. When
> they got off they said it was great, and a suprise, and
> that it was definitely a comfy seat, and i'd be fine.

Such mean, mean girls, lol!

(I
> didn't get your post till too late). So I rode it. It ...
> hurt... so... bad. For a long time too. It actually.. nm.

Told ya....you shoulda had a hoodie wadded up between your important parts and that friggin hard lump thingamabob betwixt yer legs on the ride!

> Ugh. I can still hear them laughing. (grr)

Again, such mean, mean girls, lol! And these are your friends? Hahaaaa...

> haha, what I meant was how the SEAT dosen't bother you.
> It's like spring loaded! Is it literally just fine? Or do
> you act like it a little to mess w/ us?
> Peace, Love, and Roller Coasters, Paul

You lost me here..are you talking about Mantis or TR? When you said 'spring-loaded' I think you're talking about Mantis. If you are--- no, the seat doesn't bother me. The OTSR bother my chest, that's all. Not female friendly there whatsoever. But as for my 'southern regions,' they are fine on Mantis, lol.

~MommaBeast

Haha, your right it is mean! They swore they seriously thought it was no biggie. You know that Mantis was origionally named Banshee, but since that has ethnic undertones they had to come up with a new name. The guys on the task came up with Mantis referring to the way the coaster, like the insect, kills males during "the ride." One of my friends still has some of the "Banshee" promo merchandise they had made before the switch.
MommaBeast, you've actually saved me a lot of potential embarrasment! You probably dont realize how difficult it is to believe that the seat part is truly fine for girls, and that ur not just psyching us out or being mean by ACTING like its nothing. Its weird. Are you one of the riders on mantis who pulls her feet off the ground sometimes? Is THAT uncomfortable??

Regardless, good timing because I rock climb, a hobby I bet you and many people in this forum would LOVE, (its a thrill, and indoor is fine all year long). And the harnesses are becoming a point of contention in our group, and I think I'll hold off on my comments till I know I won't make myself look like an idiot, but I'm sure to some degrees the girls are just psyching us out, but maybe not as much as we thought. Thanks!

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MAMA!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!!!!
Mantis beat me up too and I really don't like it even if they kept "Banshee" as the name!

Did you check my new calender out? The link is below. I think you will like it! It right UP our alley! LOL.
Jodi

> Mantis has been known to beat my head up and 'punch' my
> chest if you will. Not a very female-friendly ride if you
> ask me, lol.

> Don't know about you guys and your particular body
> parts....

> ....MommaBeast
>

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Manly Men of Wood & Steel 2008

I felt so much pain riding the Mantis that I made a promise to myself never to ride it again. It was absolutly horrible. When I got off my first time riding, I was prety much okay (A little stiffness in my legs.). Then I went back with some of my friends later in the year, and I rode it with one of them.

As we went down the first hill, I was fine. But after that, every time that the train would speed up, I could feel the blood in my legs. It was the most horrible feeling I had ever felt. I thought that my legs were going to explode! When we got off, I could barely walk, my legs hurt so bad. My friend said, "It didn't hurt me at all!" I thought she would have to help me get down the steps! I did manage to get down to the bottom of the steps (I only tripped once 8^(!). My legs were still hurting for a day and a half. I promise that I am not exagerating one bit.

That wasn't the only pain that I felt when riding the Mantis. I banded my head against the shoulder harness alot. I wear glasses, so this is a problem. I didn't put them in a bin, so they fell off, and I had to hold on to them half of the ride. I had a considerable headach when we got off.

Also, I would like to add that Mantis is NOT a man friendly ride. The seats are like bicyle seats. I am 13, and I am only 5 foot 3. It is hard for me to get onto these seats! A lot of pressure is put on "that area" during the course of the ride!

I agree with anyone who says that Mantis is a painful ride! I will never ride it again! I will not get laughed at my friends for being in pain in "certain areas" (LOL!). I still have Mantis as one of my top 10 coasters on my page, because I like thae ride layout. If you sat down, it would be alot better. I just remembered about this subject, and I am going to put somthing on my profile page about it.

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Mantis has a terrific layout. It would make a killer sitdown. I remember I really liked it about eight years ago. But the headbanging is a real problem. The ride isn't that rough, but when I rode it again this year, I was afraid I might do some permanent brain damage. Hence, regretfully I have to say that I too will likely never ride it again, as you said.

> Mantis has a terrific layout. It would make a killer
> sitdown.

I totally agree 100 percent. Mantis is one of the few B&M coasters' which layout isn't monotonous. I wouldn't shed any tears if no stand-ups are ever built again; Atleast until someone makes a train that doesn't apply pressure to your groin, during moments of positive-G's.

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> I totally agree 100 percent. Mantis is one of the few B&M
> coasters' which layout isn't monotonous. I wouldn't shed
> any tears if no stand-ups are ever built again; Atleast
> until someone makes a train that doesn't apply pressure to
> your groin, during moments of positive-G's.

That would be the day; I went through so much pain ("from pessure to your groin"), that I will refuse to ride Mantis with anybody! Coasters aren't meant to hurt that area!

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Haha, you know what cracks me up. All the guys on the post were injured not only physically by the seat, but mentally cuz of the evil females laughing at us. Lordy! So for this reason only I just want to say that... during the ride MY CHEST FELT FINE!! HHAAAA HA HA HA HAA AHA HA HAAAA! :) :-p All in good fun. Love you all!

- Paul

Lol, nto funny osusig1! But what is funny is that our chest feels fine by the time we get off the ride. The boys that get hurt are usually walking slow and asking the group to wait up for the rest of the day lol!
My friend a boy asked a operator how to not get hurt on the mantis and he said that the trainer is a girl, and girls refuse to go easy on anybody, even guys, they yank up on the bike seat to lock you in FOR YOUR SAFETY. But the guy operators will be real soft. So basically only go to a seat with a guy operator checking your restraint lol.
When i ride it i never even notice but I think its all the way up, plus me and my friends pull our feet off the platform and act like we're running during the ride.. and NO IT DOES NOT HURT. at all, its fun. Wear a cup or something lol! Internal plumbing has its advantages!
*J

> You know that Mantis was
> origionally named Banshee, but since that has ethnic
> undertones they had to come up with a new name. The guys on
> the task came up with Mantis referring to the way the
> coaster, like the insect, kills males during "the
> ride."

That is hilarious! From raising praying mantises when I was younger, I do know they indeed kill their male counterparts after they've had their way with them. Was it just coincidence that Mantis was named that and as such, male riders *do* get 'killed' in certain physical regions? I mean, I can't imagine them dissing their own ride for pete's sake, lol!

However, on a separate note, I do think renaming is in order for one of the CP rides: Iron Dragon should be renamed 'Draggin' Iron' as that is one pathetic, laboring, slow and silly ride IMHO, lol.

Heck, rename another one: from Mean Streak to Mean Squeak since the brake-age has totally killed that ride, not to mention it's non-re-ride-ability (is that a word, lol?)...

> MommaBeast, you've actually saved me a lot of potential
> embarrasment! You probably dont realize how difficult it is
> to believe that the seat part is truly fine for girls,

What's not to believe? We have different plumbing. One's an 'innie' and one's an 'outie.' Simple logistics, hahaaaa....

and
> that ur not just psyching us out or being mean by ACTING
> like its nothing. Its weird. Are you one of the riders on
> mantis who pulls her feet off the ground sometimes? Is THAT
> uncomfortable??

Naw, I keep my feet firmly planted, knees SLIGHTLY bent for the most comfortable ride. Well...not comfy for my chest that gets pounded, but you get the picture.

> Regardless, good timing because I rock climb, a hobby I bet
> you and many people in this forum would LOVE, (its a
> thrill, and indoor is fine all year long).

My middle son likes to rock climb. I just like to watch.

Good luck protecting yourself and keeping face in front of the girls!

~MommaBeast

> MAMA!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!!!!
> Mantis beat me up too and I really don't like it even if
> they kept "Banshee" as the name!

> Did you check my new calender out? The link is below. I
> think you will like it! It right UP our alley! LOL.
> Jodi

OH MY GOSH! From peering at TTD (as anyone with sight can see it is phallic in every way shape and form), I'm dying laughing imagining what the other pix in your calendar look like!!

And just for kicks, Merriam Webster defines 'phallus' as such:
Etymology: Latin, from Greek phallos p e n i s, representation of the p e n i s; probably akin to Latin flare to blow -- more at BLOW

Did that just say 'blow?' BLOW? I'm dying here....

~MommaBeast

> Haha, you know what cracks me up. All the guys on the post
> were injured not only physically by the seat, but mentally
> cuz of the evil females laughing at us. Lordy! So for this
> reason only I just want to say that... during the ride MY
> CHEST FELT FINE!! HHAAAA HA HA HA HAA AHA HA HAAAA! :) :-p
> All in good fun. Love you all!

> - Paul

LMAO!!!!!!

~MommaBeast

> MommaBeast, you've actually saved me a lot of potential
> embarrasment! You probably dont realize how difficult it is
> to believe that the seat part is truly fine for girls,

> What's not to believe? We have different plumbing. One's an
> 'innie' and one's an 'outie.' Simple logistics, hahaaaa....

But ur not invincible! Thats not fair! I can buy that it hurts less but not that UR FINE!! Especially on Tomb Raider, that hits front and bottom of our lower area hard, and at the same time. I buy that you'll be able to walk afterwards (cpjewell! - evil girl in our midst!) but i bet that it still hurts but ur too busy laughing at us to show it. It's got to a Little.

- worried

> But ur not invincible! Thats not fair! I can buy that it
> hurts less but not that UR FINE!! Especially on Tomb
> Raider, that hits front and bottom of our lower area hard,
> and at the same time. I buy that you'll be able to walk
> afterwards (cpjewell! - evil girl in our midst!) but i bet
> that it still hurts but ur too busy laughing at us to show
> it. It's got to a Little.

> - worried

Laughin' so hard it hurts now. Honestly, there is not a conspiracy going on here. Gals are fine on TR. It does not hurt. Anywhere. Well...it does 'hurt' in ONE PLACE: the expectation part of the ride. What a lame ride IMHO and waaay waaay too short. Sheesh!

~MommaBeast

> Laughin' so hard it hurts now.

Cute. So u laugh so hard it hurts, but gettin picked up by a bar between ur legs is COMFY. (I feel sick to my stomach just typin that! jk)

>Honestly, there is not a
> conspiracy going on here. Gals are fine on TR. It does not
> hurt. Anywhere. Well...it does 'hurt' in ONE PLACE: the
> expectation part of the ride. What a lame ride IMHO
> and waaay waaay too short. Sheesh!

> ~MommaBeast
>

Funny, the ride seemed really long to me. :-/
Would you say your invincible there as like.. ur elbow? Sorry, don't laugh, i'm serious!

> > Funny, the ride seemed really long to me. :-/
> Would you say your invincible there as like.. ur elbow?
> Sorry, don't laugh, i'm serious!

Haha, no thats actually a honest question, good way to try to understand. Ummmmmmmm. I hate to say this, MommaBeast check my answer, but unfortunately, osusig1, its even more solid or "invincible" than an elbow. Getting hit in the elbow can hurt really bad, with the whole funny bone thing. Like, I wouldn't want my whole weight sitting on my elbow. I'd say its a cross between the sturdyness of ur rear end, as far as ease of sitting on it goes, and impact resistance of a shoulder. Getting hit in the shoulder with anything hurts a lot less than almost anywhere else. So yeah, shoulder. So we don't mind if they yank the Mantis seat up tight, we just feel safer. lol
It suprises me how many guys don't get that. I play VB and there are drills that only girls can do, and guys panic just looking at them, but they're so fun and easy. Hope that helps.
MommaBeast, whats ur angle?
*J

It seems that nobody else feels really strong pains in their legs after riding, like me. It hurts really bad, as I dicribed here:

> As we went down the first hill, I was fine. But after that,
> every time that the train would speed up, I could feel the
> blood in my legs. It was the most horrible feeling I had
> ever felt. I thought that my legs were going to explode!
> When we got off, I could barely walk, my legs hurt so bad.
> My friend said, "It didn't hurt me at all!" I
> thought she would have to help me get down the steps! I did
> manage to get down to the bottom of the steps (I only
> tripped once 8^( !). My legs were still hurting for a day
> and a half. I promise that I am not exagerating one bit.

Also, there were worse pains:

> Also, I would like to add that Mantis is NOT a man friendly
> ride. The seats are like bicyle seats. I am 13, and I am
> only 5 foot 3. It is hard for me to get onto these seats! A
> lot of pressure is put on "that area" during the
> course of the ride!

It seems that the Mantis has a worse effect on me than on other people!

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> and impact
> resistance of a shoulder. Getting hit in the shoulder with
> anything hurts a lot less than almost anywhere else. So
> yeah, shoulder. So we don't mind if they yank the Mantis
> seat up tight, we just feel safer. lol
> MommaBeast, whats ur angle?
> *J

um. wow. and thanx a lot. i hope thats honest. i'll be interested to see anybody agrees cuz wow. That makes a lot of sense i guess. I've played a lot of vball, I think I know the drill ur talkin about. but yeah, a shoulder would be fine leanin on that seat. ... wow. - Paul

> > Funny, the ride seemed really long to me. :-/
> Would you say your invincible there as like.. ur elbow?
> Sorry, don't laugh, i'm serious!

> Haha, no thats actually a honest question, good way to try
> to understand. Ummmmmmmm. I hate to say this, MommaBeast
> check my answer, but unfortunately, osusig1, its even more
> solid or "invincible" than an elbow. Getting hit
> in the elbow can hurt really bad, with the whole funny bone
> thing.

Gotta agree with ya 100% here. I hurt my elbow at work 2 weeks ago and the sucker is STILL sore to the touch!

>So we don't mind if they yank the Mantis
> seat up tight, we just feel safer. lol

LOL...safer, or ... ... ... um, do you ride Mantis often my friend? *cough* *cough* LOL
Actually, tighter is better for me, both with sit-down coaster restraints and the stand-up variety bicycle seat. With sit-downs, it really is a safety thing with me. I don't want stapled, but I want that bar tight up against me. I suppose with Mantis and other stand-ups I allow a little leeway as I keep my knees slightly bent (ergo, I can stand up erect throughout the course if I so choose). But yeah...they can yank that baby and I'm not gonna howl in pain like a male would.

> MommaBeast, whats ur angle?

You got it up above. That's my final answer and I'm stickin' to it, hahaaaa...

~MommaBeast

> LOL...safer, or ... ... ... um, do you ride Mantis often my
> friend? *cough* *cough* LOL
> Actually, tighter is better for me, both with sit-down
> coaster restraints and the stand-up variety bicycle seat.
> With sit-downs, it really is a safety thing with me. I
> don't want stapled, but I want that bar tight up against
> me. I suppose with Mantis and other stand-ups I allow a
> little leeway as I keep my knees slightly bent (ergo, I can
> stand up erect throughout the course if I so choose). But
> yeah...they can yank that baby and I'm not gonna howl in
> pain like a male would.

It didn't hurt when they yanked the seat up as much as when I got off! It was hard to walk for two days!

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So... I just noticed the subject change. I dun remember who changed it... but very funny. grr.

Jeezy Maverick! 2 days is bad. They should just change half the seats. Get new top halfs for one train that are comfy for (endowed) ladies, and have them be pink. And get new bottom halfs or seats that are HUMANE and have them be blue, for males. Then we could enjoy in harmony!

I've ridden mantis several times, usually because a girl tells me she's heard a method that works. (A girl who works there... evil) Last time I went I rode it but I made sure it was the last one so it didn't ruin my day. And it was so bad. The op was a girl and she was A TINY girl, so I was like.. she won't be that bad... YANK!! And yeah, the ride doesn't help, its bad enough till the positive G's!! Mercy. So. Yeah, Maverick, did it make sitting for the prolonged car ride home ... bad? Did for me. Only loose jeans the next day man.
Peace, Love, and Ice Packs. :-p - Paul

The last time I rode Mantis in 2003 it was smooth.

It is true, if you sit in the front car its really smooth, not head-banging like the back cars which get whipped around the corners.
- Paul

2 days!!?? How the heck can it hurt for 2 days!? Osusig made that sound long so like what is normal!? Im at work now and it just made me crack up. I work in a dr's office, and everybody on my team (we do pharmacy stuff) has these ergonomic chairs that are shaped like saddles. They're so comfy! Your back gets sore when you first start using them but once you get used to it its awesome! BUT the model we have is only for women! A doctor told us that and we thought he was joking but my friend looked up the website and its true. LOL so. If we hire a guy we decided we'd just make him try to use the chair and see if its actually true. I'll put a pic if I can find one on google. ... found it, heres a quote from that page!
"Choosing a saddle chair

Salli Saddle Chairs come with a divided seat (Twin, MultiAdjuster, Basic) or with a solid seat (Classic). The latter is recommended only for women."

This is hilarous, office buildings are filling up with women only chairs! It's about time they figured it out!

Thought u guys would like that. So if mantis can hurt a boy for 2 days, what happens if you get kicked there? *J

Male Anatomy Poorly Suited For Sitting

It did hurt for two days! I'm not exaggerating! I tripped going down the steps on my way out!

~Brad Kinzel

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> >So we don't mind if they yank the Mantis
> seat up tight, we just feel safer. lol

> LOL...safer, or ... ... ... um, do you ride Mantis often my
> friend? *cough* *cough* LOL

Don't get it. .. ?

As to CPJewell, u were really honest with me so I'll try my best. For your average suprise hit in the u-know-what it'll hurt for maybe 20 minutes. You can function fine, ur just slightly bent over for maybe the first 2 minutes. These suprise attacks often come from stuff you just don't expect, like a jumping puppy, water jet in a fittness club hot tub, sitting down on an office chair thats a little lower than you expected, massage shower head... etc. Harder impacts like from sports hurt a lot worse, and you're often in pain for over 8 hours. If its football you're usually out for 2 games or so and it's called "groin injury" which makes it sound like something else. Notice that rarely happens in women's sports. :-p Getting kicked there is extremely painful and traumatic honestly. I have been, and the girl said she was "joking." Just out of the blue, and yeah, it hurt really bad. It was one of those "try to act okay" things, and I bent over... then had to put a hand on the ground.. then just gave up and rolled over. Not good. prolly a good 8 hours of pain. Feels like you got hit in the stomach with a sledge hammer. Real sick feeling all the way up to your scalp. Um. Sometimes a hard square contact, suprisingly, isn't as bad as a light nick. The only time I've ever puked from it was because the (full, new) bottle of shampoo slipped out of my hands in the shower while I was looking at the ingredients, and it nicked by there as it fell. It was a sunday morning and I was puking for about a half our, and had to miss church, I was seriously "laid up" all day, and def wasn't enjoying walking up or down stairs the next day. I NEVER miss church so yeah. And for the record, The Cup doesn't really help 100%. Its actually hard to say how much it helps because its like a little shield in front, but like, it wouldn't stop the mantis. At all. It might help on Tomb Raider though.
Hope that helps cpJewell!

I didn't puke after I got off, but it felt like I would. I took 4 of my friends up to Cedar Point this year. At about 9:30 p.m., we got on the Magnum. I sat with one of my friends in the front. All of the others sat in the back, so they got off first. They went to the Dragster before we got off. We couldn't find them, so I asked my friend what she wanted to do, and she wanted to ride the Mantis. I heard bad things about the Mantis, but she wanted to ride it with me, so I did. I got on, and as soon as I saw the seats, I thought I would be sick. We rode, and when we got off, the seats hurt me so bad, that I couldn't walk. I also felt reallty sick. I wanted to sit for a few minutes, but she was too anxious to find the rest of the group. It was like she didn't understand! So I had to walk around in pain for over an hour, with one of my friends laughing at me the entire time!

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You have to admit, from a girls perspective it IS kinda funny! *J

I think the idea is that your feet support your weight and the bicycle seat is only there for extra security. So make sure your weight isn't on the seat - try to keep it a little lower than crotch, if you can. I'm female and I dislike bicycle seats also, but I'm alright so long as my feet are on the floor. I hate KMG Tangos because they use a bike seat but your feet are dangling, so all your weight is on your pelvic floor. OK so I don't have testicles, but I don't really appreciate having my pelvic bones battered either.

Oh and if you really want to see a guy in pain, take him on a Huss Flic Flac. *evil laugh*

Cal you are hilarious. I haven't ridden either but I'm sorry, Tango looks AWESOME! Check out the video of tango at the site below. I can ride mantis with my feet on or off the ground, feet down helps, but sometimes it just feels crazy to "lift off" lol. I told a guy to keep the seat down a little and he ended up gettin really hurt, because the seats are one way, they go up and lock, you can't put them down, he had it fine but the ride op doesn't let you keep it down, so I felt bad *evil laugh*.. ahem, amused but bad yeah. :) I can't see anything wrong with Flic Flac from the video either, but I'll drag a boy along just to see. What happens?

Osusig, thanks for your post, insightful lol. My bf plays hockey and at any given time his team seems to have like 3-5 players off the ice due to groin injuries. They always say like its a pulled muscle, but its always a hockey stick, or worse, a puck lol. Its funny you mention the jumping puppy too, we have a dalmation that racks like every guy we bring over lol, we just can't stop her in time. I think she does it to girls too we just dont' notice.

I kicked a guy there once for making fun of me, and he seemed unfazed by it but then like 5 secones later was curled up on the ground and purple lol. Don't mess with us! *j

Tango is on here, great site!

CPJewell, methinks you are evil. If Mantis was a person, it would be you. :-p You should get a shock collar for you dog, its not funny! - Paul

What is the best Stand-Up roller coaster if there is any?

> What is the best Stand-Up roller coaster if there is any?

If there had to be a best one, I do believe that most people find Chang and Riddler's Revenge at the top. I've never been on RR, but Change was awsome! Though, I really like Mantis as well.

-Josh

> What is the best Stand-Up roller coaster if there is any?

I actually thought the layout of Mantis was better than Chang. *j

> What is the best Stand-Up roller coaster if there is any?

> I actually thought the layout of Mantis was better than
> Chang. *j

I don't know, I guess Chang was just a more comfortable layout to me. I also really liked the corkscrew placements.

Like I always say, there really isn't a BEST of anything!

-Josh

> Like I always say, there really isn't a BEST of anything!

> -Josh

Except Ricky Bobby. "I'm the best there is, plain and simple. I wake up every morning and I piss excellence..." lol NOW THERE would be a great coaster. Something Top Thrill Dragster-ish, with a ricky bobby spin! By the way boys, it would have VERY comfortable restraints. lol *j

> Like I always say, there really isn't a BEST of anything!

> -Josh

> Except Ricky Bobby. "I'm the best there is, plain and
> simple. I wake up every morning and I piss
> excellence..." lol

LOL! Exactly Cpjewell, no ones remembers what great seasons the Chicago Bears, Cleveland Cavs(sorry Ethan), Detroit Tigers, and the Ottawa Senators had; It's all about taking home the goal!!Man, that was really cheesy. Anyway, as for the Ricky Bobby coaster, of course it gotta be the fastest and tallest launched Intamin since he pisses excellence. LOL. How bout "Ricky Bobby: The Pursuit to Excellence; Maybe the name could use a lil' tweaking.

BTW, outta the three stand-ups that I've ridden(Vortex at Carowinds, Mantis, and Georgia Scorcher) I'll go with Georgia Scorcher for my fav, mostly due to comfort.

-Chris-

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> Except Ricky Bobby. "I'm the best there is, plain and
> simple. I wake up every morning and I piss
> excellence..." lol NOW THERE would be a great coaster.
> Something Top Thrill Dragster-ish, with a ricky bobby spin!
> By the way boys, it would have VERY comfortable restraints.
> lol *j

"...The story of a man who could only count to #1...."

I love Will Ferrell!! Anchorman, anybody? LOL "Great Odin's Raven!"

I put my kids' names in a drawing to win a movie poster of Ricky Bobby and Talledega Nights. MY SON WON, lol! It's pretty cool indeedy.

~MommaBeast

> BTW, outta the three stand-ups that I've ridden(Vortex at
> Carowinds, Mantis, and Georgia Scorcher) I'll go with
> Georgia Scorcher for my fav, mostly due to comfort.

> -Chris-

How'd they make this one more comfy for y'all? *j

> BTW, outta the three stand-ups that I've ridden(Vortex at
> Carowinds, Mantis, and Georgia Scorcher) I'll go with
> Georgia Scorcher for my fav, mostly due to comfort.

> -Chris-

> How'd they make this one more comfy for y'all? *j

Now, I'm just guessing here. He might have different a different reason, but I think it's the head-banging-less-ness if that make sense. If I remember right, the seats are exactly the same as the rest, so no improvment there.

Georgia Scorcher is a fun ride.

As for the Ricky Bobby coaster name, it should be a side-bye-side racing launched coaster with a road-course theme (so as to not make it be just a fast oval). The name could be what Chris suggested, but have a slogan (like TTD's Race for the sky) for it being: If you're not first, you're last.

-Josh

Yeah, they're painful down there too.

LOVE the raceing coaster idea for Ricky Bobby Rollercoaster!

Mantis type restraints might be funny on another Will Ferrell coaster "Blades of Glory" just to simulate the whole crotch-lift ordeal. :) whoever mentioned the Salli chairs above is right on. My company is building a new facilty and HR is testing different crazy chairs, like big bouncy ball ones. That Salli thing is a guys' nightmare. !! It says for short term use its okay for guys but like.. dang.. how short term!? - Paul

Salli is real! A nightmare!

> As for the Ricky Bobby coaster name, it should be a
> side-bye-side racing launched coaster with a road-course
> theme (so as to not make it be just a fast oval). The name
> could be what Chris suggested, but have a slogan (like
> TTD's Race for the sky) for it being: If you're not first,
> you're last.

> -Josh

This is a no-brainer...the name of the racing coaster(s) should be SHAKE AND BAKE, lol, lol!!

~MommaBeast

> As for the Ricky Bobby coaster name, it should be a
> side-bye-side racing launched coaster with a road-course
> theme (so as to not make it be just a fast oval). The name
> could be what Chris suggested, but have a slogan (like
> TTD's Race for the sky) for it being: If you're not first,
> you're last.

> -Josh

> This is a no-brainer...the name of the racing coaster(s)
> should be SHAKE AND BAKE, lol, lol!!

> ~MommaBeast

That's a good one, Mommabeast! BUT, I think too many people will asociate that with actual shake and bake as opposed to RB, but I could be wrong.

-Josh

> This is a no-brainer...the name of the racing coaster(s)
> should be SHAKE AND BAKE, lol, lol!!

> ~MommaBeast

> That's a good one, Mommabeast! BUT, I think too many people
> will asociate that with actual shake and bake as opposed to
> RB, but I could be wrong.

> -Josh

LOL, it was all tongue-in-cheek anyway. But you may have a point. So, for those newbs who don't know the TRUE (hahahaa) meaning of Shake and Bake, the riders would have to exit through a 'Chicken Shop' if you will on their way out. Shake-n-Bake chicken legs and thighs on sell for only $10.99 a piece, hahaaaaaaaaaaa... ... ... ...

~MommaBeast, who's now suddenly hungry for chicken ~~~

I'm a newbie here but i love this forum, you guys are hillarious!
I got three things first, my sons actually had a bad "male-related" experience on Millenium Force and I talked them into going on Mantis a few weeks ago. It's one of my favorite rides! (It's not easy on the chesticles, but its worth it! and sitting up front really helps the rattling) My oldest was on my left and was fine, but my youngest, 13, you'd think the girl fillated him. Felt bad but it was comical. When he had problems on the stairs like the earlier guy here, i was a little worried but he made it!
Second, I'm an RN and we all use those Salli Saddle chairs! They are really nice, I'm going to buy one for my computer room. I don't know if a man could sit in it honestly, because I'm the only one who sits in mine, but it IS funny because when a doctor is in my office he's in a chair and I'm towering above him in my Salli lol. I recommend!
Third, I figureskated and coached for years and i love the Blades of Glory idea! Seeing a guy do a crotch lift would be hillarious! It was one of my favorite moves, my number one probably in pairs because you feel like you're flying. Love it!
Great group!

Just a big "HOWDY" and "WELCOME TO URC" SpeedyMamma!

Jump right in, make yourself at home.

~MommaBeast

> I got three things first, my sons actually had a bad
> "male-related" experience on Millenium Force and
> I talked them into going on Mantis a few weeks ago. It's
> one of my favorite rides! (It's not easy on the chesticles,
> but its worth it! and sitting up front really helps the
> rattling) My oldest was on my left and was fine, but my
> youngest, 13, you'd think the girl fillated him. Felt bad
> but it was comical. When he had problems on the stairs like
> the earlier guy here, i was a little worried but he made
> it!

How does the MF hurt? The Mantis made my friends almost take me to first aid, but I was fine on the MF. The bar connected to the lap bar wasn't painful at all.

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> I got three things first, my sons actually had a bad
> "male-related" experience on Millenium Force and
> I talked them into going on Mantis a few weeks ago. It's
> one of my favorite rides! (It's not easy on the chesticles,
> but its worth it! and sitting up front really helps the
> rattling) My oldest was on my left and was fine, but my
> youngest, 13, you'd think the girl fillated him. Felt bad
> but it was comical. When he had problems on the stairs like
> the earlier guy here, i was a little worried but he made
> it!

> How does the MF hurt? The Mantis made my friends almost
> take me to first aid, but I was fine on the MF. The bar
> connected to the lap bar wasn't painful at all.

It's not the bar in the middle that causes trouble. It's if the yellow bar hits in the wrong place. It's happened to me, but I managed to adjust me to where it didn't hurt. The problem is, you can't lift it back up to adjust. It will have NO give once it's in place! It's a rare occurance, but it happens.

-Josh

You are asking the WRONG person lol. I love the lap bar on MF, it just feels really secure. I thought maybe it was his shorts. I've actually seen serious injuries to men caused by "boxers" style underwear or even dress shorts (like the kind guys wear to golf). Moving wrong can cause the seam to do some kinda damage I guess. I'm suprised it's actually the restraint.

Welcome aboard SpeedyMamma.

Okay your making me squirm here speedymomma. But i have to admit your probably the first female i've heard who knows about those issues.
With MF I've had that too, its definitely a 'OH CRAP' kind of feeling, but you can squirm out of it for the most part. It doesn't happen every time.

So question for the guys. You know it doesn't hurt us there to ride Mantis or TR. If you had to sit on a pole like a balance beam would you be able to do it? Straddling it I mean? I'm from the country and I've seen guys do it for a second when climbing over a wooden fence etc, but never for long. Is this possible? *j

Cant speak personally, but I've seen them straddle things that are widish, maybe 5+ inches, but they can't lean forward at all. lol The guys are quiet on this one!

honest question. Um. straddling stuff isn't ever comfortable unless its about the width of a saddle, and that has its time constraints due to periodic pressure up front. I'd say yeah, you can straddle anything maybe 6 inches or wider, but there's definitely no leaning forward. No guy could sit in a "Y" or a "V" of a tree like girls do. *Enter violin and traumatic childhood tales* Hope that helps! Ride on (even though it's getting cold!) - Paul

Can't let this thread get away. It caused me to pay particular attention to the Mantis's seat this past Sunday 10-21. It is the first I notice that they are almost like the seats on the old 10speed bikes. They are indeed uncomfortable if you try to actually sit and do not support your weight with your legs. I had the unfortunate incident that the train ahead of us was stopped 1/3 of the way up the lift hill. They were going to offload one row of passengers. The operators mercifully let us out of our seats while this was accomplished. They stated "we know the seats are uncomfortable".

Mikey Mad

LOL I saw someone say how they came up with Mantis, and I'd have to say they definitely have no reason to act like it DOESN'T kill guys, they know lol. I'm suprised they'd say that to your face though about the seats. I enjoy the ride (chest banging but worth it), and accidentally rode it on my toes a few weeks ago, and no problem. Was it a merciful male operator or a sympathetic female ride op?

Paul! You're cracking me up! When I was a lass I LOVED sitting in the "Y's" and that's what we called them lol! Get your violin out if you're going to read this, but I recommend you close your eyes. When I was in probably Jr High the neighbor boy was the cuttest little boy maybe 6 years old, and he couldn't get to the first branch in our tree to climb it, so me or one of my girlfriends would lay straddling the next branch up and he'd hang onto our shoes or feet and pull himself up into the tree! We called it being the ladder. THAT would KILL any of y'all male-types lol! Top that sistas!
Okay, you can look now haha.

Speedymomma, two words... not possible.

And at this point ur just bein mean to guys. - Paul

Yes its possible, yes I've done it, and its fun, comfortable, does NOT hurt... and you know what? If you don't believe it then you're just going to look silly as you act like lots of things hurt us, or that we're doing the "impossible." Your attitude is beginning to make me NOT pity you on TR or Mantis lol.

I think there may be more guys than girls in this forum, so we're not getting much support. But Paul, you are so wrong. I've never done Speedy's "Ladder" thing myself, but I did do it to one of my friends, and it was this summer, and I'm definitely not 6 years old lol. We were doing tech for a play my college was putting on, and they were erecting part of the set, and she was straddling a beam like 10 feet off the ground, holding something stable for the guys who were hammering it. I jumped up and smacked her shoe, and she was like "DO NOT PULL ON ONE FOOT!" so I jumped up and grabbed both her ankles and hung lol. It definitely got a reaction out of the guys lol. But no, it didn't hurt her at all, it was fine. I way over 100 lbs so hah.
I agree with SpeedyMamma, if you're gonna take attitude about Mantis, just step right up, mantis will deal attitude right back lol. *j

now ur just ganging up on me. i've never seen a girl straddle anything and have someone hang from her feet. That's insane. I really don't believe it's possible without major pain. :) - Paul

I'm doubting anybody checks this board anymore, but we're running out of topics in the off season! lol I'm posting this because I have a new one. My hubby hurt himself IN HIS SLEEP last night. That's a first, I tried to get him to explain but that sort of thing puts them in a hissy mood. Made me think of this topic! Happy belated Thanksgiving everybody!

PS. Jewell, we can't see your pic lol, but thanks for the support! It's not rocket science guys!

That only happens if u wear boxers, if you move around that seam can pull tight. :( I've had that.
U make it sound like girls are invincible there, that ain't so!

> > LOL, it was all tongue-in-cheek anyway. But you may have a
> point. So, for those newbs who don't know the TRUE
> (hahahaa) meaning of Shake and Bake, the riders
> would have to exit through a 'Chicken Shop' if you will on
> their way out. Shake-n-Bake chicken legs and thighs on sell
> for only $10.99 a piece, hahaaaaaaaaaaa... ... ... ...

> ~MommaBeast, who's now suddenly hungry for chicken ~~~

Of course, those of us of a certain age(ME ME ME!!!) will not only remember Shake and Bake as a chicken coating, but as the tagline for the double feature of EARTHQUAKE and THE TOWERING INFERNO that hit movie theaters in the 70's. I won a VHS two-pack at an NYC movie-themed street fair some years ago that included Towering Inferno, but it wasn't paired with Earthquake..it's companion was The Poseidon Adventure, one of my favorite flicks.

Mike

I've heard that guys get "injured" more in boxers. Best we can compare I think would be like running down stairs with no bra on lol. (of course, we'd be fine the next morning lol) I thought of another thing today. At work if you're at someone else's desk working on something for a long time, girls usually chill out by like docking on the corner of the desk, kind of sitting on it frontways. I can't explain it, but it's really comfortable and lets you rest your legs from standing. Y'all are missing out guys! *J

> Of course, those of us of a certain age(ME ME ME!!!) will
> not only remember Shake and Bake as a chicken coating, but
> as the tagline for the double feature of EARTHQUAKE and THE
> TOWERING INFERNO that hit movie theaters in the 70's. I won
> a VHS two-pack at an NYC movie-themed street fair some
> years ago that included Towering Inferno, but it wasn't
> paired with Earthquake..it's companion was The Poseidon
> Adventure, one of my favorite flicks.

Ahhhh...you're bringing back yet MORE mems! Which one of the epic disaster movies had OJ Simpson in it? Towering Inferno? I can't remember all of a sudden.

~MommaBeast

>> Ahhhh...you're bringing back yet MORE mems! Which one of
> the epic disaster movies had OJ Simpson in it? Towering
> Inferno? I can't remember all of a sudden.

> ~MommaBeast

Rob beat me to it. OJ was also in all three Naked Gun flicks, and a decent movie about a manned flight to Mars, which turns out to be a hoax..Capricorn One(1978)

Speaking of Earthquake, Richard Roundtree's motorcycle daredevil was of course based on the just deceased Evel Knievel.

Mike, thinking about the "Me" decade of the 70's a lot today.

> The Poseidon
> Adventure, one of my favorite flicks.

Same here! Once again, 'great minds' and all, lol....

~MommaBeast --
and thanks Roblec and Beastmaster for confirming the OJ question.

> The Poseidon
> Adventure, one of my favorite flicks.

> Same here! Once again, 'great minds' and all, lol....

> ~MommaBeast --
> .
>
That was the first flick I saw multiple times in a theater...later overtaken by Jaws(5-6 times), Grease (18 times) and The Rocky Horror Picture Show(??? times)

Mike

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.
> * This Post Has Been Modified *

> Mantis has been known to beat my head up and 'punch' my
> chest if you will. Not a very female-friendly ride if you
> ask me, lol.

> Don't know about you guys and your particular body
> parts....
Yeah i rode and got a litle uncomfortable between my knees.
> ....MommaBeast
>

> Don't know about you guys and your particular body
> parts....

> Yeah i rode and got a litle uncomfortable between my knees.

Well, better there than further north I s'pose, lol.

~MommaBeast

So Mammabeast, Jewell,

I was at Giant Eagle today and saw a toddler, couldn't have been two years old, sitting in a shopping cart like they do, and COMPLETELY RANDOMLY kicked daddy who was pushing the cart. It was hilarious I'm sorry, but I could see a headline "Dad refuses to buy gummy bears, toddler lays him out!" lol. The mom came walking up the aisle and saw her husband crouched over and was like "oh my god!" and pulled out her phone and the guy was like No! I'm okay!

I'm sorry but that's classic. The Mantis may not be in season, but that laugh will hold me over! Sorry osuguy!

> So Mammabeast, Jewell,

> I was at Giant Eagle today and saw a toddler, couldn't have
> been two years old, sitting in a shopping cart like they
> do, and COMPLETELY RANDOMLY kicked daddy who was pushing
> the cart. It was hilarious I'm sorry, but I could see a
> headline "Dad refuses to buy gummy bears, toddler lays
> him out!" lol. The mom came walking up the aisle and
> saw her husband crouched over and was like "oh my
> god!" and pulled out her phone and the guy was like
> No! I'm okay!

> I'm sorry but that's classic. The Mantis may not be in
> season, but that laugh will hold me over! Sorry osuguy!
>

LOL! The kid's got "RIDE DESIGNER" all over his face when he gets older, hahahahaaaaa!

Wonder if the family will take in "Nutcracker" this season?

~MommaBeast

> > LOL! The kid's got "RIDE DESIGNER" all over
> his face when he gets older, hahahahaaaaa!

> Wonder if the family will take in "Nutcracker"
> this season?

> ~MommaBeast
>

That's awesome! By the time that kid is tall enough to ride, I'm sure there'll be even funnier rides for guys lol. I think B&G not only designed Mantis, but the pool at my gym. I used to work there and in the deep end there's a water jet on the wall smack in the middle of a lane, and it was STRONG, like a fire hose or somethin. And maybe once a month a guy would get hurt on it! They'd drop into the water, and either climb RIGHT back out and lay there, or we'd have to help them out. One guy puked, we took him to the First Aid room, and put up a cone so nobody would use the lane (temporarily). CLEARLY designed by BG. I felt it and it def doesn't hurt even a lil lol. *J

"Nutcracker"!! I love it!

> > LOL! The kid's got "RIDE DESIGNER" all over
> his face when he gets older, hahahahaaaaa!

> Wonder if the family will take in "Nutcracker"
> this season?

> ~MommaBeast
> > That's awesome! By the time that kid is tall enough to
> ride, I'm sure there'll be even funnier rides for guys lol.
> I think B&G not only designed Mantis, but the pool at my
> gym. I used to work there and in the deep end there's a
> water jet on the wall smack in the middle of a lane, and it
> was STRONG, like a fire hose or somethin. And maybe once a
> month a guy would get hurt on it! They'd drop into the
> water, and either climb RIGHT back out and lay there, or
> we'd have to help them out. One guy puked, we took him to
> the First Aid room, and put up a cone so nobody would use
> the lane (temporarily). CLEARLY designed by BG. I felt it
> and it def doesn't hurt even a lil lol. *J

OH NOES! Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, hahahaaaaaa!!

> "Nutcracker"!! I love it!

;>)
~MommaBeast

Mamma, I love your subject lines! :)
Sadly, the pool thing happened to me, but in a hot tub at the YMCA in Urbana. It sucked a lot because I was trying to act cool while lifeguarding, talking to a girl in a Budweiser swimsuit. How cool is that.. and i was scrubbing the inside of the hot tub and I moved and this jet was waaaay too strong, and yeah. Very embarassing.

Luckily no grocery shopping incidents man. Yikes! I'd put that kid on the mantis, maybe he'll learn somethin!! :)

It's okay, i think the nutkracker pun was funny :-p

I'm jealous that you guys are invincible... I even think the whole sitting... knee over knee - thing, like girls do is cool, and its annoying we can't do it, but in the end, I'm glad I don't have to deal with all the lady-pains. You may have a way smarter design, but it has guaranteed pains, where a guy could at least like.. wear the cup or somethin! :) - Paul

> Mamma, I love your subject lines! :)

Haha, thanks! I try to 'tailor' them to the relevant topic/reply especially for those viewing in a format other than the one I use (collapsed threads, I think).

> Sadly, the pool thing happened to me, but in a hot tub at
> the YMCA in Urbana. It sucked a lot because I was trying to
> act cool while lifeguarding, talking to a girl in a
> Budweiser swimsuit. How cool is that.

Oh you poor thing! Guess I shouldn't add here that women, on the other hand, prolly wouldn't find that particular 'pool/jet thingy' a bad thing by any means...lol...

*wink* *wink*

. and i was scrubbing
> the inside of the hot tub and I moved and this jet was
> waaaay too strong, and yeah. Very embarassing.

But yeah, back to you and your embarrassing incident. How awful for you. I'm sure she was wondering why you had a pained, strange look on your face as you struggled to remain calm, cool, and collected. I'm laughing but NOT AT YOU; with you. You have to admit, it's funny now though I'm sure it wasn't then.

> I'm jealous that you guys are invincible... I even think
> the whole sitting... knee over knee - thing, like girls do
> is cool, and its annoying we can't do it, but in the end,
> I'm glad I don't have to deal with all the lady-pains. You
> may have a way smarter design, but it has guaranteed pains,
> where a guy could at least like.. wear the cup or somethin!

Trust me, childbirth is enormous, unimaginable pain. Give us our due to be able to ride Mantis with ease. We deserve it. LOL

~MommaBeast

> *wink* *wink*

> . and i was scrubbing
> the inside of the hot tub and I moved and this jet was
> waaaay too strong, and yeah. Very embarassing.

> But yeah, back to you and your embarrassing incident. How
> awful for you. I'm sure she was wondering why you had a
> pained, strange look on your face as you struggled to
> remain calm, cool, and collected. I'm laughing but NOT AT
> YOU; with you. You have to admit, it's funny now though I'm
> sure it wasn't then.

> I'm jealous that you guys are invincible... I even think
> the whole sitting... knee over knee - thing, like girls do
> is cool, and its annoying we can't do it, but in the end,
> I'm glad I don't have to deal with all the lady-pains. You
> may have a way smarter design, but it has guaranteed pains,
> where a guy could at least like.. wear the cup or somethin!

> Trust me, childbirth is enormous, unimaginable pain. Give
> us our due to be able to ride Mantis with ease. We deserve
> it. LOL

> ~MommaBeast

>

LOL I'm with u mommabeast! OSU if you ever want to get into a new hot tub, pick me first to go around and make sure the jets aren't too bad lol, if theres a terrible strong one i'll block it for u lol!

Yes, we have a smarter design, but it has its baggage. but, i want to point out one thing. All the bad things about our setup IS ON A SCHEDULE. we know in advance when there's gonna be pain etc. Childbirth has 9 months warning, and the rest is pre-scheduled. NO angry guy can come along and be mean and make us start early or something, we're not afraid of things like 2 y/olds in shopping carts, water jets, puppys, or the mantis. This allows us to handle our pains with grace and social support, while yours are unplanned (by you anyways) and can be brought on by any girl you piss off, or any fast-moving object lol. So... we win basically. *High five speedy and mamma*
*J

YEAH!! Well said!

Hey, They should make a stand-up that has a suprise where like on a hill the floor drops like 2 feet down and leaves your legs dangling for a sec before it comes back up! Perfect for gals at least, and it would be SUCH a trip!
I'd like to see a puppy take out a guy lol. Not in a bad way guys! Just... it'd be funny!.. (okay, i can't help it that it sounds mean, but i totally don't mean for it to. I can't explain it!!) lol. -Mamma

Sorry mamma, VETO. Maybe if you call it El Falsetto. :-/

OSU, i'm guessing you plead the fifth, or choose to ignore my previous post? lol. And i like the stand up idea! *J

Reading this long but fascinating post and its threads made me wonder.

Perhaps Steeplechase at Blackpool should have His ' n' Her horses? :-)

themagiceye

> Reading this long but fascinating post and its threads made
> me wonder.

> Perhaps Steeplechase at Blackpool should have His ' n' Her
> horses? :-)

We always have the anatomically correct Bull statue at the queue enterance of El Toro.

Joe
Great_Ump

Joe's Blog

>
> We always have the anatomically correct Bull statue at the
> queue enterance of El Toro.

> Joe
> Great_Ump

Ya know what? In all my times heading into the El Toro queue, I don't think I've ever taken a good look at the statue..I'm simply concerned with getting my rides. Is it something I should do??? Will it enhance my experience??? Advice, somebody!!! Help!!

Mike

Don't look directly into the anatomical correctness! May cause blushing and feelings of inadequacy! - Paul

> Don't look directly into the anatomical correctness! May
> cause blushing and feelings of inadequacy! - Paul

I'll say.....

Joe
Great_Ump

Joe's Blog

The bull could ride the Mantis if we did a little snip-snip like we do to take care of that issue in guy animals up in my neck of the woods! lol. The guys are cringing. But it would solve the guy's mantis issue, and mamma's unimaginable pain of childbirth issue too! lol. *J

> The bull could ride the Mantis if we did a little snip-snip
> like we do to take care of that issue in guy animals up in
> my neck of the woods! lol. The guys are cringing. But it
> would solve the guy's mantis issue, and mamma's
> unimaginable pain of childbirth issue too! lol. *J

LOL!

Does anyone have a pic of this wonderfully endowed creature? Surely this animated version is not El Toro...*sigh*...

~MommaBeast

Yes, we have a smarter design, but it has its baggage. but, i want to point out one thing. All the bad things about our setup IS ON A SCHEDULE. we know in advance when there's gonna be pain etc. Childbirth has 9 months warning, and the rest is pre-scheduled. NO angry guy can come along and be mean and make us start early or something, we're not afraid of things like 2 y/olds in shopping carts, water jets, puppys, or the mantis. This allows us to handle our pains with grace and social support, while yours are unplanned (by you anyways) and can be brought on by any girl you piss off, or any fast-moving object lol. So... we win basically. *High five speedy and mamma*
______________________________________

What the HECK is that about!!??

If any guys had the nards of this bull, we'd put these morons in their place. This is crap. Reason number nine hundred it's better to be a guy: waaaay stronger upper bodies. Real handy EVERY DAY.

> What the HECK is that about!!??

Just a funny thing we had going for awhile.

> If any guys had the nards of this bull, we'd put these
> morons in their place.

MORONS? Now, now. Them thar's fightin' words 'round these parts, buster. No need for name callin' and gettin' personal. We're all just having fun.

This is crap. Reason number nine
> hundred it's better to be a guy: waaaay stronger upper
> bodies. Real handy EVERY DAY.

Yay for upper body strength.
LOL

~MommaBeast

>This allows us to handle our pains with grace and social >support, while yours are unplanned (by you anyways) and can be >brought on by any girl you piss off, or any fast-moving object >lol. So... we win basically. *High five speedy and mamma*

It's actually a good point. Not to switch sides but yeah, that makes sense. Plus, the average guy has like 30 some percent more upper body strength, but the average girl has stronger legs. So don't let that suprise ya. This would all make riding a bike a LOT nicer I think lol. - Paul
Yay living in harmony!

> It's actually a good point. Not to switch sides but yeah,
> that makes sense. Plus, the average guy has like 30 some
> percent more upper body strength, but the average girl has
> stronger legs.

What? I can believe the upper body, but not lower. I'd love to see some hard evidence on that one.

I do know, however, that scientific studies have indicated that because of the way women are built, they could theoretically be able to lift more than men if they trained hard enough. Clearly that isn't the case yet as male powerlifters still put up more weight than females.

The average woman does have a bigger butt and legs than a guy, however. That's just nature unless they're at the gym on a weekly basis.

The typical male has stronger legs than the typical female, HOWEVER poud for pound womens' legs are stronger. The difference in strength is marginal, but the difference in mass is less margional. A man of the same size as a woman has weaker legs TYPICALLY.

My only experience comes from swimming. The guys can usually outswim the girls, but when we hold onto a kick board and use legs only, its a joke. The girls are so much faster and are talking to eachother, and the guys are seriously working hard and still are way slower. - Paul

Swimming's okay, but once again, I'll stick to the hot tub lol.
People forget that what we look at as leg strength sports like running are whole body sports. Girls' whole bodies get tired before our legs do. Guys are just more athletic. I'd like to see a side by side on like an inner thigh machine lol.

I want to ride the floorless stand-up! lol *j

> My only experience comes from swimming. The guys can
> usually outswim the girls, but when we hold onto a kick
> board and use legs only, its a joke. The girls are so much
> faster and are talking to eachother, and the guys are
> seriously working hard and still are way slower. - Paul

I'm guessing that you are basing this on high school swim class or something of the sort...

Girls at that age weight significantly less than the boys do. Plus, it's a fluid sport that does not equate well in terms of strength, because kick speed and technique can weight heavily on performance.

If you're doing side-by-side comparison of strength only, you have to use weights and jumps to determine who is stronger. Clearly that is men. You can put all the spin you want on it by saying "pound for pound, etc" but the reality is that men are stronger than women. Fact.

> Clearly that is men. You can put all the spin you
> want on it by saying "pound for pound, etc" but
> the reality is that men are stronger than women. Fact.

And, clearly men have a lower pain tolerence level. So, in some ways women are stronger than men.

As for Mantis, loved it in 1996 and haven't ridden it since 2001. It's gotten rougher and the added brakes have ruined the pacing, which adds even more head banging.

Stand-ups ridden - Vortex @ Carowinds, Vortex @ CGA, Skyrider @ Canada's Wonderland, Shockwave @ KD, Riddler's Revenge @ SFMM, Mantis @ CP, King Cobra @ KI (defunct), Iron Wolf @ SFGAm. GA Scorcher @ SFoG, Cobra @ SFM, Chang @ SFKK and Batman-The Escape @ SF Astroworld (defunct.)

Best stand-ups I have ridden - Chang, Riddler's Revenge & GA Scorcher. Worst - Iron Wolf, Mantis & Batman- The Escape.

As for a coaster that was a real ball buster, I nominate the defunct Scooby's Ghoster Coaster @ KI. It was always fun to stand in line and watch the macho guys as the "car" rolled up to catch the lift.

Carol

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> As for a coaster that was a real ball buster, I nominate
> the defunct Scooby's Ghoster Coaster @ KI. It was always
> fun to stand in line and watch the macho guys as the
> "car" rolled up to catch the lift.

> Carol

Wow Carol! That's a lot of stand-ups! I love them, but I wasn't as impressed with Chang's. I remember taking the kids on Scooby's and then after hearing a daddy let out a really sad groan, telling my hubby "you're not going to be able to ride that one dear" lol.

HOWEVER I think this car-style has a lot of potential for an intense crotch-rocket bike race type coaster. Very extreme!

Wow, I've been to KI several times and I've never even seen that ride before! Is it just one seat and you put your kid in front of you? Or is there two seats? How does that thing work, it definitely looks not guy-possible.

Jeezy Carol! Do they all rack you with the bicycle-seat restraint, or is there an easy one. Did any of them cause discomfort for u there or is that basically impossible for a stand-up to do. (I'm thinking impossible)

- Paul

> Jeezy Carol! Do they all rack you with the bicycle-seat
> restraint, or is there an easy one. Did any of them cause
> discomfort for u there or is that basically impossible for
> a stand-up to do. (I'm thinking impossible)

> - Paul

None rack you with the seat they just pull them up tight, they're ALL easy ones lol. None cause discomfort THERE, yes, that would be impossible with a bicycle seat restraint. Re-read the shoulder analogy above, its right on lol. Sorry!

The blood rush on Mantis make my feet feel like they are soaking in a bucket full of needles and like my head has been left in a pressure cooker too long.

It used to hurt my....ahem.....until my nephew gave me the grand-all secret to keeping distance between the torture wedge and the family prize. The trick works by bending your knees slightly to lower your height. After the ride ops strap you in, stand back up.....er....erect.....and now you have a safe and comfortable space between you and certain pain.

The Mantis was also legendary for bruising the rotator cuff in my left shoulder. That was pain I felt for almost a whole year. I couldn't even move my arm enough to roll-up the windows on my truck at the time. (I'm 6'7" tall. Figure it out.) But that still wasn't enough to keep me from riding.

Also, someone mentioned Tomb Raider The Ride at King's Island. It, too, left me "seeing blue" the first time I rode it. But then, one wise, tall rider and his son told me the secret to surviving the ride without undue you-know-what busting: Just anchor your feet against the backs of the seats in front of you. After trying it, I was finally able to appreciate all the special effects and sensations of the ride, whereas before, all of my concentration was focused on not blacking-out from pain.

Great topic!

I know i didnt go on the day it opened but ive been there bout five times and one time i went my ankles were like hurting so bad and my head also it was horrible...

I work in a retirement home, and our company just told us we're allowed to request a Salli chair and desk to replace our old ones! None of us had heard of them except for me and its thanks to this forum! I'll be getting it soon I hope and I'll let you know how it goes!

We got them and they're DIFFERENT. More solid feeling than I expected, and it's making my back a little sore. The actual seat is very very comfortable, it just has a nice even support like no other chair, but we asked the delivery man to try it and he jumped up as soon as he sat down and said "WOW not a good idea" lmfao. So at least it's just my back, we'll see.

Not much response from anybody here but I can see why. It's not a roller coaster, but I can roll and coast in it, and its a very mantis-esque situation lol. I love it now, just so ya know lol. And its official, guys cant do it lol. I highly recommend!

I know that I've ridden horses and the saddle isn't too bad. But the salli does look like... impossible to be comfortable. Much like the mantis. I miss this post. :) - Paul

I miss this post too. But my final update is that I'm in my salli now and there is NO backpain, its just great, we all love them. I think the world needs to not be so afraid of making things that are female-only. A maintis-type chair (like this one) is way better than a regular chair for our health. Its also more comfortable if you have internal plumbing. Maybe we'll see a racer with a blue train with traditional seats, and a pink train with mantis seats! lol Feedback?

Sounds like a fair idea. Put it in a new post!

Hmmmm....LOL....
Differentiating via colors just might OUT an otherwise discreet cross-dresser or transgender.
:>0
Oh, the un-PC-ness of that!

~MommaBeast

HAHA! "wow, that tall lady with the adam's apple started screaming before the pink train even left the station! yeah, right around the time they heaved the restraint up.. weird"

It would definitely be the polygraph for those claiming to have the opposite "plumbing" arrangement (external v. internal, thanks speedymama! haha)

- Paul

There is a flaw in your thinking osusig, it won't out everybody, because girls can ride both no problem, no matter what we wear lol. Nice try though! Good ride idea! *J

> There is a flaw in your thinking osusig, it won't out
> everybody, because girls can ride both no problem, no
> matter what we wear lol. Nice try though! Good ride idea!
> *J

Coming to a theatre near you:

~MommaBeast
And of course, the theatre will be fitted with salli seats or however you spell the darned things.

Any victim's already this year? Mwaa ha ha ha haaaa. I can't wait.. but that's just me lol. Drag my boys on it if they start actin up! haha

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Were they complaining in falsetto? Did it seem normal to you lol? Today would have been a great day to go!

Happy anniverery to Major pain aboard mantis! (A day late I know, but I just realized it.)

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I'm going next week! I'll be sure to take a picture of the restraints to immortalize this post!

where are the restraint pictures!? Or are they too painful to post lol.

For the love of God, can we finally put this post to rest?

;)

Joe
Great_Ump

> For the love of God, can we finally put this post to rest?

> ;)

> Joe
> Great_Ump

Motion to close thread!

love this post i think its hilarious has anybody else love dthis ride with their feet practicaly off the ground lol, love it! Any pix of this thing, trying to describe to my sis in FL

its tru that guys can not ride, my niece works at cp and the mantis crew and the MF crew are like her families away from home lol

> love this post i think its hilarious has anybody else love
> dthis ride with their feet practicaly off the ground lol,
> love it! Any pix of this thing, trying to describe to my
> sis in FL

> its tru that guys can not ride, my niece works at cp and
> the mantis crew and the MF crew are like her families away
> from home lol

We vow to officially make this the longest running thread in the history of URC.

~MommaBeast
LOL

Wow, so what's the official list of rollercoasters men should avoid? or rather, how do we avoid these incidences in the first place? Of course, there's no way women are completely unfazed.

Had issues with a harness once, but that was due to it not being properly tightened.

Takes up half a page now.
Every time someone posts to it,
it moves to the top and pushes
everything else WAY down.

> Takes up half a page now.
> Every time someone posts to it,
> it moves to the top and pushes
> everything else WAY down.

>

What settings are you using? 1 reply or 1000 replies, it takes up no more room either way.

Edit:
Ok, I see what you're talking about, you're still using that early 1990s style of thread viewing. I remember using it 12 or so years ago myself. A simple update in your viewer would make that 'issue' obsolete.

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> Wow, so what's the official list of rollercoasters men
> should avoid? or rather, how do we avoid these incidences
> in the first place? Of course, there's no way women are
> completely unfazed.

> Had issues with a harness once, but that was due to it not
> being properly tightened.

My one daughter and hubby went jet-skiing (in wetsuits) today lol. And I would like to officially add the Jet Ski to this list even though it is not a roller coaster, it is definitely a ride lol. Guys are not built for it, nuff said.

> Wow, so what's the official list of rollercoasters men
> should avoid? or rather, how do we avoid these incidences
> in the first place? Of course, there's no way women are
> completely unfazed.

> Had issues with a harness once, but that was due to it not
> being properly tightened.

> My one daughter and hubby went jet-skiing (in wetsuits)
> today lol. And I would like to officially add the Jet Ski
> to this list even though it is not a roller coaster, it is
> definitely a ride lol. Guys are not built for it, nuff
> said.

Hmm, I don't get this. I've been skiing, never had a real problem with it. What happened with you that'd you'd say that?

> Wow, so what's the official list of rollercoasters men
> should avoid? or rather, how do we avoid these incidences
> in the first place? Of course, there's no way women are
> completely unfazed.

> Had issues with a harness once, but that was due to it not
> being properly tightened.

> My one daughter and hubby went jet-skiing (in wetsuits)
> today lol. And I would like to officially add the Jet Ski
> to this list even though it is not a roller coaster, it is
> definitely a ride lol. Guys are not built for it, nuff
> said.

> Hmm, I don't get this. I've been skiing, never had a real
> problem with it. What happened with you that'd you'd say
> that?

I think it was just the seat of the jet ski pluss the choppy water. I also noticed the the girls and I hang on with our thighs and end up with tired legs after a lot of riding, and boys hang on with their arms and end up with tired arms after riding, so I think what is just a fun bumpy ride for us is like abuse for them lolz.

> I was at Cedar Point on Opening Day, and rode the Mantis
> for the first time. When riding it, my ankles were in pain
> and so was my head! Why don't the secure your head more?? I
> too bad Mantis' coaches weren't built with seats that you
> could sit down in, I think that would really improve the
> ride.

I rode this the other day and I also think the G-Force causes pain in your ankles!

Is there any way to avoid this??

*Edit: I tried to place my feet behind the chair, but it didn't help.

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Contracting the muscles in the calves and thighs helps keep the blood from being forced down to the feet as fast.

If you can even be thinking of doing that while trying to enjoy such a ride (which in Mantis' case "enjoy" is subjective).

Mike B.

Wow, a 2 year old thread resurrection! I couldn't believe this thread was still around and active, and now I know why. hehe

I have ridden the Mantis several times and have never found it to be particularly awful or un-rideable; though I must say that stand-ups aren't my favorite type of coaster and I wouldn't go out of my way to ride one. Not being a man, I don't have that specific anatomy issue with the seat, but IMO stand-ups aren't the most comfortable coasters out there either. Hard bicycle-type seats can be uncomfortable for women too, especially when you're short and the seat locks up a bit too high or you have trouble straddling it in the first place. One of my friends is about 4' 10" and she has a terrible time with stand-up coaster seats, just getting into them and not having it lock in a too-high position.

As for other stand-ups, I'd say that of those I've ridden, RR is best. I didn't like Vortex at Paramount's Great America (can't remember if it's just Great America or what that park is called these days, I went there when it was owned by Paramount) not because of the stand-up arrangement but for some odd reason I found it to be a real head-banger, even though B&Ms usually aren't head bangers.

The only stand-up I absolutely won't ride is Shockwave at KD (or any other Togo stand-up that's still around). Honestly I don't know how men aren't permanently rendered unable to father children from a ride on that thing! I found it quite painful to ride, rather like riding an old ten-speed over a road filled with potholes. The drop and loop were really no different from B&M stand-ups but the helix was hell. IMO that's the "Nutcracker Suite" part on that ride that men should be very wary of. Just having my knees and pelvis jarred to oblivion in that helix makes me unable to imagine what a guy would go thru! Imagine a woody that you consider rough and then imagine it as a stand-up - thus you have Shockwave at KD.

We just went up to CP last weekend! What a scorcher! I guess my one son forgot about the trauma and he got right on Mantis with me lol. We rode the front car which definitely was smoother than the others, even in the upper-torso areas lol. The only discomfort was the motherly pain of watching my son exaggeratedly crouch over after they let us off of it lol. Poor guys, some things never change, still funny though!

DO NOT sit in the seat. It is NOT for you to sit in.

The seat is a safety restraint. It's there to keep you from squatting so far you slip out of the restraints...it is NOT for sitting. You have to STAND, meaning put your weight on your feet, when you ride a stand-up coaster. If you try to sit your weight on the seat, you will crush your tender parts.

If you're going to ride a stand-up coaster, ride it early in the day, when your legs are fresh. I rode Green Lantern (aka "Chang") at 6f-GAdv twice, once at the beginning of the day and once at then end. LOVED it first time through, but second time my legs were too tired to enjoy it. (FWIW, the track layout is almost a mirror-image of Mantis)

When they set the seat height, keep your feet about shoulder-width apart and flat on the ground. The idea is that once the seat is "locked", you can get more push on your feet by moving them slightly closer together or raising with your calves.

PUSH with your feet on any loops or uphills...that's when the coaster is being pushed into you (vertical Gs), so that's when you need to make sure your legs are taking the increased weight and not your "gooch".

Stand-up coasters are for standing up. :)

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Awesome point Squirrel. Question for the guys. Why don't you just squat down a little when they seat-check you so that when they're done, you can stand up and have a gap there "where it counts" for the rest of the ride!? I'm going back up there this weekend so I'll try it. I know I have the "internal plumbing" but I'll know if it would hurt you guys or not. Could be a solution!

> Question for the guys. Why don't
> you just squat down a little when they seat-check you so
> that when they're done, you can stand up and have a gap
> there "where it counts" for the rest of the
> ride!?

This guy does just that.
It shouldn't take but the very first ride on any standup anywhere for guys to figure that out.
If not, don't complain about any painful moments.
Bad enough we have to fight the "upper" headbanging (esp on Mantis)!

Mike B.

> Awesome point Squirrel. Question for the guys. Why don't
> you just squat down a little when they seat-check you so
> that when they're done, you can stand up and have a gap
> there "where it counts" for the rest of the
> ride!? I'm going back up there this weekend so I'll try it.
> I know I have the "internal plumbing" but I'll
> know if it would hurt you guys or not. Could be a solution!

Last time I was at Cedar Point, I tried that method on Mantis and the ride ops (ironically female) were yelling "stand up, stand straight up!" at everyone. They made sure to unlock the harnesses on anyone with the slightest bend in their knees.

It wasn't anything I couldn't walk off, but I would not want to do a marathon riding session riding like that...ouch!!

Paul

> This guy does just that.
> It shouldn't take but the very first ride on any standup
> anywhere for guys to figure that out.
> If not, don't complain about any painful moments.
> Bad enough we have to fight the "upper"
> headbanging (esp on Mantis)!

> Mike B.

That's exactly what I do and I'm a girl. I've never had any problems with them making me stand up straight. I just squat slightly, trying to be inconspicuous, on ALL stand-ups. I've also had my legs straight out, leaning slightly back if the ride-ops seem to be enforcing the crotch pain and that seems to work as well and probably less noticeable than bent knees.

I have never seen any ride-op let anyone sit on a stand-up. Just want an inch or 2 of space for comfort (which I'm sure is even more necessary for a guy!), not a dangerous amount of room where the restraints may not perform properly.

Jen

I actually don't like too much of a gap down there. I think its a little rude that they yank the seat up so hard, but I DO want it to be snug, I think that's the reason I've never had that leg-pressure problem, because I distribute all the G's over both my feet and sit-bone. NOT THAT I SIT IN IT, It's just there for a reason. imho

There are two big things that cause pain on a stand-up.

Trying to sit on the seat is the first, for the reasons outlined above.

They DO make you stand up, but you can cheat it a little bit by putting a SLIGHT flex in your knees or not moving your feet all the way to the back of the car where you're standing.

You want JUST enough that you can push in the loops. TOO much slouch/squat and you're not going to be able to get the weight on your legs at all, you WILL be resting on the crotch-bar and you WILL hurt. That's why the ops insist that you stand up straight.

And make sure your legs are FRESH. If you're going to ride Mantis, ride it EARLY, not after you've lapped the park twice and you can barely stand up under ONE vertical G. :)

The second major pain-bringer is the fact that your head is 5-6 feet from the track-line.

The further your head is from the axis of spin, the more leverage the coaster has to snap your neck out from under it...thus the banging of the head against the restraints or the tweaking of neck architecture. This isn't so much of a problem for loops and banked curves, but any kind of twist or corkscrew can be a painful experience.

The best thing to do is keep your eyes open and try to anticipate the direction of spin with your head so you don't tweak your neck too bad. (works well on other head-bangers like Maverick too)

If you have weak neck muscles or a spinal problem, though, you might want to sit the stand-ups out.

I honestly didn't notice a HUGE difference between Mantis and Chang, pain-wise. The girl I was with has some neck-disk issues and it hurt her pretty bad. She rides with her eyes closed, though.

You really have to be an active part of the ride to avoid all of the pain...lean your head to compensate for the neck-whippers and push with your legs/feet in the loops and uphills.

Hey everybody. Like I said, I went last weekend to CP with my husband, daughter (18) and niece (21). My niece used to work at CP and both girls have seen this string. I sent it to them for laughs lol. Anyways, I was excited to try my solution out and see if it would work or help you guys out. My hubby stayed at Grand Old Country because he was tired of walking all day. We rode Mantis twice, I tried to get both a boy and girl op but got stuck with a girl twice. I tried squatting just a little so I'd have some room after they locked it in, but the girl definitely told me to stand up straighter! So I straightened my legs but kept my feet out front a little bit, and the op yanked up on the bike seat harder than anybody ever has before! So boys, DON'T try that! lol. I was fine but it almost picked me up! All three of us could pick our feet up during the ride, which my niece said was kind of like a Mantis version of putting your arms up in the air lol. The second time I just rode it like normal but tried to get a guy ride op, but he was SO SLOW that a girl got to us first. I stood up perfectly straight and she tugged it up but not too bad. So my new solution is DON'T try to be sneaky about it or they'll make you regret it if you're male. Sometimes I just feel sorry for your external plumbing setup. Rarely lol, but sometimes. Happy Coasting.

coasterwife: thanks for your attempt, and im sorry it resulted in you getting almost lifted off your feet. I rode it yesterday with my girls and it was pretty painful and I didn't try any special techniques. My daughters loved it though, and they too ride with their feet off the ground. the restraints on mantis are fine, I really think its just the yanking up on them that makes it painful. I hope they just take it down, because my girls will make me ride it every time we go to CP!

I've ridden Vortex at Carowinds, Green Lantern at SFGAdv, and Shockwave at KD.

The only one that gave me issues was shockwave and that's because it's 800 years old and a death trap. It was still fun though.

Idk if this is an age thing, but I'm 22 (23 in 15 days) and I never ever get banged around. Shockwave and viper at SFGAdv are the only ones that have ever hurt me. Vortex had a lot of force and my friend banged his head, but I was fine.

I don't get why so many people have problems with stand ups or any other rides that are "rough".

- mugen

*shrugs*

> I don't get why so many people have problems with stand ups
> or any other rides that are "rough".

> - mugen

> *shrugs*

Age has a lot to do with it. Your body can take more and recover faster when you're young. I LOVED the Shockwave at SFGAdv and don't remember it being rough at all (I'm sure it was, just don't remember it bothering me - I was 20 at the time). I used to ride the Viper consecutively for that first drop (remember, that was the only awesome steel drop in the park at the time and you all know I need my "wee!") and once I learned to sit up very tall when they locked the restraints so they weren't touching my shoulders, I could ride it all day. I still thought it was rough, but I could take it with nothing more than a slightly stiff neck the next day from holding my head out of the restraints. I was 24. Now that ride would surely kill me.

I think the actual coaster has a lot to do with it as well - is it worth the banging? Stand-ups don't really do a lot for me anymore. I don't hate them and I did like GL, but I could live without them, so if a stand-up killed me I wouldn't ride again. The only one I ever really got banged around on was Shockwave at KD during the last portion. I don't think Mantis is nearly as bad as everyone thinks. It's quite manageable IMO but I'm a woman so I can see where it could be uncomfortable for a man.

As for others, Magnum can bang me around a bit but I think it's worth every bump and bruise so I'll take it like a champ. I think it's one of the best coasters in the park. Now, for Wildcat at Hershey, I'd rather have a root canal than ride again because that coaster does nothing for me and it hurts. So I think if you liked the coaster aside from the rough spots, you'll deal with it and learn how to best ride it. If you hate it, you'll come on the forum and sentence it to death.

Jen

> I don't get why so many people have problems with stand ups
> or any other rides that are "rough".

> - mugen

> *shrugs*

> Age has a lot to do with it. Your body can take more and
> recover faster when you're young. I LOVED the Shockwave at
> SFGAdv and don't remember it being rough at all (I'm sure
> it was, just don't remember it bothering me - I was 20 at
> the time). I used to ride the Viper consecutively for that
> first drop (remember, that was the only awesome steel drop
> in the park at the time and you all know I need my
> "wee!") and once I learned to sit up very tall
> when they locked the restraints so they weren't touching my
> shoulders, I could ride it all day. I still thought it was
> rough, but I could take it with nothing more than a
> slightly stiff neck the next day from holding my head out
> of the restraints. I was 24. Now that ride would surely
> kill me.

> I think the actual coaster has a lot to do with it as well
> - is it worth the banging? Stand-ups don't really do a lot
> for me anymore. I don't hate them and I did like GL, but I
> could live without them, so if a stand-up killed me I
> wouldn't ride again. The only one I ever really got banged
> around on was Shockwave at KD during the last portion. I
> don't think Mantis is nearly as bad as everyone thinks.
> It's quite manageable IMO but I'm a woman so I can see
> where it could be uncomfortable for a man.

> As for others, Magnum can bang me around a bit but I think
> it's worth every bump and bruise so I'll take it like a
> champ. I think it's one of the best coasters in the park.
> Now, for Wildcat at Hershey, I'd rather have a root canal
> than ride again because that coaster does nothing for me
> and it hurts. So I think if you liked the coaster aside
> from the rough spots, you'll deal with it and learn how to
> best ride it. If you hate it, you'll come on the forum and
> sentence it to death.

> Jen

Yeah I meant the shockwave at KD. I hope to god my back doesn't start hurting when I get older on coasters but I guess it's only a matter of time.

I am too tall for it not to start hurting at one point.

- mugen

I think age does have a lot to do with it, as there are coasters I was able to ride over and over again when I was in my late 20's and now I just can't do more than a few rides at a time. Funny that reminds me of my recent trip to CP with my friend. We were standing in line to ride TTD and some teenage boy looked at her incredulously and asked her if she was actually going to ride it. In other words, he couldn't imagine that someone old enough to be his mother might actually be able to ride a coaster! I guess it's a good thing I dyed the grey hairs I have starting before I went on the trip!

But Shockwave at KD was a special case - I rode it when I was 27 (and able to take the roughest woodies out there, even in the back seat) so age wasn't a factor. I've never felt discomfort like that on a coaster, stand up or otherwise. Basically it felt like my tailbone was going to crack. Sort of like (but not as bad) when you fall on your butt and your tailbone aches. Never had any other ride create that most unpleasant sensation. The drop and loop were fine, it was the bunny hops and helixes at the end that did it. I could do the Mantis again, as long as I rode near the front, but even good money couldn't get me to ever take another ride on Shockwave.

Sure! I'm 20 and have no probs with the mantis's "bike seat" lol. I know I didn't when I was younger. And that one lady said her and her daughters could all ride with their feet off the ground. So I think the age thing is true but probably to a small degree for the mantis, maybe a bigger degree with some of the rough overbanked woodies. *J

https://www.cedarpoint.com/what-s-new/mantis-is-closing

I this should kill this discussion! :-D #mankiller

Official Closing

cpjewell said:

MANTIS IS CLOSING! :( :( :(

https://www.cedarpoint.com/what-s-new/mantis-is-closing

I this should kill this discussion! :-D #mankiller

Yes...no more boob pain for me, or crotch pain for guys, LOL.

~MommaBeast

MommaBeast said:

cpjewell said:

MANTIS IS CLOSING! :( :( :(

https://www.cedarpoint.com/what-s-new/mantis-is-closing

I this should kill this discussion! :-D #mankiller

Yes...no more boob pain for me, or crotch pain for guys, LOL.

~MommaBeast

Well there's a name from the past!! How are you doing Momma?

Nita - we'll be moving to Florida next year. Gonna miss all our midwest buddies. Hope your Beasties are doing well (must be adults now!)

NOT going to miss Mantis the standup, but a floorless might be worth a return visit to the point!

SirWillow said:

MommaBeast said:

cpjewell said:

MANTIS IS CLOSING! :( :( :(

https://www.cedarpoint.com/what-s-new/mantis-is-closing

I this should kill this discussion! :-D #mankiller

Yes...no more boob pain for me, or crotch pain for guys, LOL.

~MommaBeast

Well there's a name from the past!! How are you doing Momma?

Hello, hello!!
Doing very well...so busy with work, hardly have time to think! How are you - and all my URC cronies - doing...? Long loooong time, no write, no see, no nuttin'!

Thanks for asking about me ... :)

~MommaBeast

RobLec said:

Good to see you again, both of you!

Nita - we'll be moving to Florida next year. Gonna miss all our midwest buddies. Hope your Beasties are doing well (must be adults now!)

NOT going to miss Mantis the standup, but a floorless might be worth a return visit to the point!

Awww, Roblec, you got room for two more?!?! What part of Florida ... and are you moving just because?

And as for my Beasties...YES they are grown!! Youngest will be 20 in a couple of months (we share a birthday!!), and my two sons are 23 and soon to be 25! Time flies my friend.

Looked several times into moving around the Hollywood Beach area, but so far, we are still here in Indy...ugh, lol.

So good to hear from you ... and I wish you well and good health (I remember all the problems you were having...*sadface*).

God bless you and keep in touch!

~MommaBeast

Joe
Great_Ump

Great_Ump said:

Talk about a classic URC thread...

Joe
Great_Ump

Lol, ikr!
Coming to an amusement park near you:
"The Thread That Wouldn't Die!"

How are you, friend?

How do you people live like that?!?!

LOL

Joe
Great_Ump

Great_Ump said:

I had no idea you were in Indy. I spent three months there last winter making bad relationship choices. Worst winter since 1978.

How do you people live like that?!?!

LOL

Joe
Great_Ump

Hi!
Yup, born and raised, lol. Last winter was thee worst since the blizzard of '77-'78, hands down.
I live in Greenwood, about 15 miles south of Indianapolis.
As for bad choices, we all make them. Its learning from them that's key. Cuz if you don't learn from a mistake, the next time it happens in reality it becomes a choice.
Hmu via email!
~MommaBeast

However, I think this definitely proves that the cars were unbearable, when a park goes to this length. *J

Mantis Stays

cpjewell said:

OMG this is pathetic:
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One other Cedar Point story of note. The PD has a discussion of whether swapping out the cars on the rough-riding, standup Mantis and renaming the ride Rougarou (after a werewolf in French folklore) truly counts as a new ride. The park says yes, but some fans say that's a stretch.
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However, I think this definitely proves that the cars were unbearable, when a park goes to this length. *J

I wonder if they read this thread haha.

MFJ2 said:

I wonder if they read this thread haha.

It's a 5 year resurrection from the dead! I forgot how much fun this discussion was.