Cedar Point Rumor 2007

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

And why spread the bunk you are reading elsewhere?

B&M has no desire to build giant coasters and has done very well making solid reliable and very reliable rides.

They will not put themselves in Intamins Possition, That being making something they can't make work reliably and costing more in maintenence than almost any park can afford.

Chuck

Ok, this is just rediculous now. We dont thrive on concocted rumored stories around here. At least I dont anyways, but I hope I speak for some others.
Do you really think that CP or B&M would even try to build something as asinine as this?
I mean come on, 600ft???
180mph????
I dont think so....

Intamin cant even get the strats to work on a regular basis and you see what a mess these coasters stay in.
Im sure that if CP gets a B&M in the future then it will be something unique and also dependable.
IMO CP will not try anything that is gonna be a lawn ornament again.

DEE

> 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range.

Who are you trying to fool? A 600 foot tall ride is too dangerous because of the high winds, and 180 mph is insane. That thing would have to have some crazy supports, or something really strong just to hold it up. Who is really going to believe this? Maybe if you had an actual press release from the company, but I guess you don't. To tell you the truth I don't see anyone building a coaster over 475ft tall, and I don't see any ride ever going over 130 mph.

And in ALL seriousness...we don't need taller or faster. Is 456 feet not tall enough? Can anyone really discern an extra 50 feet at that height? Or tell the difference between 128 mph and 150 mph? It gets to the point when fast is fast and high is high. At those extreme heights and speeds we cannot perceive a difference. It's all numbers and marketing at that point.

What we need is more thought and originality in layout design, and more theming...coasters that feature many elements instead of one-trick ponies. I love a good record-breaker like the next guy, but I think it has gone far enough. I think people like the RIDE the coasters these parks build rather than just look at them.

Pete

Actually what Screamscape said was that CP might get dueling fliers with heights that add up to 5-6 hundred ft. making them hyper fliers. It's still a very farfetched rumor, although not impossible.

MrPKI

Grand Rapids

Hyper, dueling flyers...if there was ever a more pointless concept than that please tell me about it. Put speed and dueling on a coaster design that you can't feel the wind, can't get airtime, can't see the track, and can't see the other train coming at you.

If all of you who replied to this message had read the rumor, it also said that he also got bashed when he released the rumor about Top Thrill Dragster. Everyone said he was nuts and that there was no way that they would build a coaster over 400 ft tall. I never said that the 500 to 600 ft that it will happen, it just you might think Cedar Point might do something like that because they have a history of wanting record breaking coasters. Gemini was the first over 125 ft. Magnum was the first over 200 ft. Raptor was the tallest and fastest inverted coaster. Millenium Force was the first over 300 ft. Top Thrill Dragster was the first over 400 ft. So why not continue to the quest for the tallest and fastest coaster in the world. Right now coaster designers are saying with all the new technology in the software they use, there is no limit to what they can do safley. I have always beleived in the saying if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. So in the future if you want to bash people DON'T!!!!

Yeah, a roller coaster 600 feet tall and 180 mph? The winds at those speeds would injur the riders. Plus a structure that tall would need a huge launch. Or if it wasn't a launch coaster then it would need an enourmous lift hill. The ride would occupy a third of the park. There is no way Cedar Point would even think about somthing so idiotic. After all they just put in a killer 120 mph monster. Why do it again?

> Hyper, dueling flyers...if there was ever a more pointless
> concept than that please tell me about it.

A wild mouse flying coaster! (lol)

Thrills R Us

What Cedar Point, and all parks that are always wanting to get the tallest and fastest and longest and...whatever...is one of these things:

1) Start building killer flat rides. Aside from maXair, the selection of flats at Cedar Point aren't too great. A park is not built on just coasters you know.

2) Expand their kids areas with fun family rides that are disney-esque. Take PKI's Nickelodeon Universe expansion for 2006. This upgrade will make the Gold Ticket winning kids area probably even better. Theme parks are a family experience, not just teenagers and adults.

Cedar Point does not need a new coaster and they certainly do not need a 600 ft. coaster or a hyper inverted whatever.

Thrills R Us

I like the comment about the wildmouse. Lol!

> Yeah, a roller coaster 600 feet tall and 180 mph? The winds
> at those speeds would injur the riders. Plus a structure
> that tall would need a huge launch. Or if it wasn't a
> launch coaster then it would need an enourmous lift hill.
> The ride would occupy a third of the park. There is no way
> Cedar Point would even think about somthing so idiotic.
> After all they just put in a killer 120 mph monster. Why do
> it again?
How do you know this?

> What Cedar Point, and all parks that are always wanting to
> get the tallest and fastest and longest and...whatever...is
> one of these things:

> 1) Start building killer flat rides. Aside from maXair, the
> selection of flats at Cedar Point aren't too great. A park
> is not built on just coasters you know.

> 2) Expand their kids areas with fun family rides that are
> disney-esque. Take PKI's Nickelodeon Universe expansion for
> 2006. This upgrade will make the Gold Ticket winning kids
> area probably even better. Theme parks are a family
> experience, not just teenagers and adults.

> Cedar Point does not need a new coaster and they certainly
> do not need a 600 ft. coaster or a hyper inverted whatever.
If people want a family park they can go to Disney.

A few comments:

1. B&M has already stated that they would not build anything over 299 ft. if I'm not mistaken. This would prevent them from building a 5-6 hundred ft. dueling flyer. Therefore this is probably why the person who submitted the rumor said they would add up to 5-6 hundred. I personally don't believe the rumor, and think the next Cedar Point coaster will be either wooden or a single flyer, as they don't have alot of room in the WWL spot.

2. A 600 ft. 180 mph coaster would not hurt the riders. What about sky divers, parachuters, and bungee jumpers, do they get seriously injured while doing those things? I think not, so the reason it's not happening is because of monetary and space confining reasons, not dangerous circumstances.

3. It sounds like PCW's TR:TR is an awesome ride. ;)

MrPKI

> If all of you who replied to this message had read the
> rumor, it also said that he also got bashed when he
> released the rumor about Top Thrill Dragster. Everyone said
> he was nuts and that there was no way that they would build
> a coaster over 400 ft tall. I never said that the 500 to
> 600 ft that it will happen, it just you might think Cedar
> Point might do something like that because they have a
> history of wanting record breaking coasters. Gemini was the
> first over 125 ft. Magnum was the first over 200 ft. Raptor
> was the tallest and fastest inverted coaster. Millenium
> Force was the first over 300 ft. Top Thrill Dragster was
> the first over 400 ft. So why not continue to the quest for
> the tallest and fastest coaster in the world. Right now
> coaster designers are saying with all the new technology in
> the software they use, there is no limit to what they can
> do safley. I have always beleived in the saying if you
> don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
> So in the future if you want to bash people DON'T!!!!

Im not bashing you but who gives a crap about he said that they said about this thing that might happend?

Kinzel will probably build something and something nice for his retirment. But Believe me, They learned there lesson. TTD has cost them more than they will ever make off of it.

Chuck

> If people want a family park they can go to Disney.

Since your God, You rpobably already know that people with kids need more than just coasters to do. Oh Gee, CP has three coasters that someone under 54 inches could ride. I can see it now. WHAAA, I wanna ride, Whaa! Whaa! Whilst mom and dad who thought they were gonna have a nice vacation try to get on the things they have for adults.

CP has suffered and suffered big time on this Biggest tallest BS.

They have no more darkride, The western themed area has coasters all over it. The lagoon which used to be a excape from the park inside the park is now a barren waistland with some scenes to crack jokes at

Pave everything, Paint it pink and teal. Everyone will now pay 60 bucks for it.

NOT!

> What Cedar Point, and all parks that are always wanting to
> get the tallest and fastest and longest and...whatever...is
> one of these things:

> 1) Start building killer flat rides. Aside from maXair, the
> selection of flats at Cedar Point aren't too great. A park
> is not built on just coasters you know.

> 2) Expand their kids areas with fun family rides that are
> disney-esque. Take PKI's Nickelodeon Universe expansion for
> 2006. This upgrade will make the Gold Ticket winning kids
> area probably even better. Theme parks are a family
> experience, not just teenagers and adults.

> Cedar Point does not need a new coaster and they certainly
> do not need a 600 ft. coaster or a hyper inverted whatever.
> If people want a family park they can go to Disney.

I want a family park and I DON'T WANT TO go to Disney. The person who responed with that answer has got to have no kids . Parents want to have fun too and CP is the best park for parents and childern to have fun in other ways then Disney. Love mickey and friends but they don't have a MF or a TTD there. the kids areas in CP are good better then some other parks and the parent swap thing is a god sent for us. ( NO good parent swap at a SF PARK). Love CP and if they want to crush SFGADV record with their kingda copy then let Cp build anything bigger it wants to build.

People never get satisfied. Once they've done building a record-breaking coaster, they will build another record-breaking coaster. And year after year the coasters will be more dangerous. Maybe the 600-foot coaster with the top speed of 180 mph can be true. Maybe the train is indoor-car-system train. So they will feel the wind just like another coaster. But for those who have vertigo, you still can see below...

> If people want a family park they can go to Disney.

Oh thats a good suggestion. People go to Cedar Point for the thrills, but a lot of them have families which come with them to have the same fun. What fun is it for the children when they have nothing to do and they watch the adults ride coasters all day?

Cedar Point is constantly called the World's #1 theme park. However, most people really only take into account the thrill rides, because thats all the people who refer to Cedar Point as No.1 do when they are there. I say Cedar Point will only be the #1 Park if they become #1 in everything. That includes flat rides, coasters, staff, food, thrills, and family appeal. Which is why I like PCW so much. While PCW doesn't have the best coasters in the world, there is still thrills to be found elsewhere. The flat rides have been hailed as one of the best collections in the world. The food at PCW is well above par when it comes to theme parks. The staff members are motivated, enthusiastic, and make your park experience even better.

I have not been to many parks. In fact, the only major parks I have been to are WDW, Cedar Point, Universal Studios Orlando and King's Island. While I had a great time at all of these parks, they did have their faults.

-Walt Disney World was great, but the major parks are REALLY expensive, and there aren't very many thrill rides.

-Cedar Point was great, but the flat rides disappointed me as did the food, and as mentioned there isn't a lot for the younger kids.

-Universal Studios is pretty much in the same position as Disney since most rides are experience based as opposed to thrill based (please note that I am talking about the park outside of IOA).

-Kings Island was also great, but many complain about the food (which is why I didn't eat at the park), and to me the staff members were unprofessional and none of them seemed to enjoy their jobs.

PCW seems to shine in the places that other parks just don't. So until Cedar Point impresses me on every level, then it will be the No.1 park IMO.

Thrills R Us

I posted this on another message board but I do NOT want CP to build a flyer or dueling for that matter.

Now that Geauga Lake is a Cedar Fair park, X Flight is the only steel coaster there that helps differentiate that park from it's bigger brother in Sandusky. They need to keep the parks as separate as possible if they want people to come to GL for other things than just the awesome Wildwater Kingdom. So add the flyer to CP and then there is no reason to go to GL.

Now that the dive machine has entered the U.S. market, a Beemer with two drops over 200 feet would set a record of some sort, wouldn't it? Better yet, two 250 foot drops and there you have your 500 feet though a ride of that kind at that height might be a bit too intense for most people.

G-Dog

> A few comments:

> 1. B&M has already stated that they would not build
> anything over 299 ft. if I'm not mistaken. This would
> prevent them from building a 5-6 hundred ft. dueling flyer.
> Therefore this is probably why the person who submitted the
> rumor said they would add up to 5-6 hundred. I personally
> don't believe the rumor, and think the next Cedar Point
> coaster will be either wooden or a single flyer, as they
> don't have alot of room in the WWL spot.

> 2. A 600 ft. 180 mph coaster would not hurt the riders.
> What about sky divers, parachuters, and bungee jumpers, do
> they get seriously injured while doing those things? I
> think not, so the reason it's not happening is because of
> monetary and space confining reasons, not dangerous
> circumstances.

> 3. It sounds like PCW's TR:TR is an awesome ride. ;)

> MrPKI

Please let me justify a few facts.

A skydiver will not fall at 180 mph; he falls at approximately 120 mph depending on what altitude he is at. The diver will wear a flight suit and protective goggles so his eyes can open. He can learn to fall at speeds greater, but 170 mph is barely tollerable (personally) even with equipment. There are faster records, but they are not the norm.

Bungee jumpers do not reach terminal velocity (9.8 m/sec^2) while falling, so they are well under 100 mph.

However, due to it's aerodynamic properties, a man made vehicle CAN fall faster than a human being to the earth, all other variables remaining constant. So it is possible to reach 180 mph in a railed vehicle (not taking track friction into consideration), but the vehicle must either be enclosed, or a passenger must wear protective headwear to stay coherent.

So what you say is possible, but highly improbable.

You can see below where this person makes some comments about the speed of a falling skydiver.

> A skydiver will not fall at 180 mph; he falls at
> approximately 120 mph depending on what altitude he is at.

"However, by diving or "standing up"in free fall, any experienced skydiver can learn to reach speeds of over 160-180MPH. Speeds of over 200MPH require significant practice to achieve. The record free fall speed, done without any special equipment, is 321MPH. Obviously, it is desirable to slow back down to 110MPH before parachute opening."

This guy is trying to use skydiving as an example of what they would do and lies about top speeds of skydivers. He also assumes that this 600 foot tall ride would be completely open cockpit like millenium force. A front shiel could be made on the train that would still leave the riders feeling completely free and open but would direct much of the airflow around them.

Also, he talks of a human going 180 mph like it is rediculous. I regularly do 160 mph on my zx-14 I do where a helmet, but that is because I don't want my head to become mashed potatoes.

Furthermore many people are talking about the HUGE structures needed to support a 600 foot roller coaster, these people have apparently not noticed that the new super structure designs have allowed a lot of change.

I don't know if this will be the next ride, but to try and stipulate that it is impossible or too expensive, is rediculous.

But then again I don't see a lot of people flaunting there engineering degrees and where they recieved them from.

> A few comments:

> 1. B&M has already stated that they would not build
> anything over 299 ft. if I'm not mistaken. This would
> prevent them from building a 5-6 hundred ft. dueling flyer.
> Therefore this is probably why the person who submitted the
> rumor said they would add up to 5-6 hundred. I personally
> don't believe the rumor, and think the next Cedar Point
> coaster will be either wooden or a single flyer, as they
> don't have alot of room in the WWL spot.

> 2. A 600 ft. 180 mph coaster would not hurt the riders.
> What about sky divers, parachuters, and bungee jumpers, do
> they get seriously injured while doing those things? I
> think not, so the reason it's not happening is because of
> monetary and space confining reasons, not dangerous
> circumstances.

> 3. It sounds like PCW's TR:TR is an awesome ride. ;)

> MrPKI

> Please let me justify a few facts.

> A skydiver will not fall at 180 mph; he falls at
> approximately 120 mph depending on what altitude he is at.
> The diver will wear a flight suit and protective goggles so
> his eyes can open. He can learn to fall at speeds greater,
> but 170 mph is barely tollerable (personally) even with
> equipment. There are faster records, but they are not the
> norm.

> Bungee jumpers do not reach terminal velocity (9.8 m/sec^2)
> while falling, so they are well under 100 mph.

> However, due to it's aerodynamic properties, a man made
> vehicle CAN fall faster than a human being to the earth,
> all other variables remaining constant. So it is possible
> to reach 180 mph in a railed vehicle (not taking track
> friction into consideration), but the vehicle must either
> be enclosed, or a passenger must wear protective headwear
> to stay coherent.

> So what you say is possible, but highly improbable.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

Guys c'mon. There's been Intamin track spread all over the lawn by Breakers Express for over a month now. Footers were put in place months ago, and you can watch construction daily if you are at the park. CP isn't making much of a secret that they are adding something new, they just aren't saying what it will be, but it's an Intamin coaster for sure.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

I always wondered this about Cedar Point: Is it worth it if you're not a thrill ride junkie?

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

> I always wondered this about Cedar Point: Is it worth it if
> you're not a thrill ride junkie?

The last two times I've been there the only coaster I've been on is Woodstock Express. I take my 4 yr old and we ride the flats and cars and the train all day, he loves it.

I guess nobody has seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPbmQ3J4FQ

This is the "rumored" Intamin ride that is going in at Port Aventura and the CP ride is supposed to be roughly based off of this one as far as what the cars will be like.

Brett

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

> I always wondered this about Cedar Point: Is it worth it if
> you're not a thrill ride junkie?

> The last two times I've been there the only coaster I've
> been on is Woodstock Express. I take my 4 yr old and we
> ride the flats and cars and the train all day, he loves it.
Iron Dragon and Wildcat are good for little ones, and there are plenty of flat rides that aren't mammoth. CP has a lot to offer to everyone, but if you are a thrill junkie, it helps.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

I wouldn't doubt they wouldn't, I mean... They already have broken about every record for roller coasters in the world, am I right? They put American Eagle in second place for the highest wooden coaster and I'm sure they'll make this 600 ft. coaster.

> They put American Eagle in second place for the highest wooden coaster <

With Mean Streak? Wrong.

American Eagle is only 127 feet tall. At least two wooden coasters (that I know of) taller than American Eagle were built before Mean Streak.

Le Monstre (1985)
Texas Giant (1990)

Now there's at least 10 woodies taller than American Eagle. Not sure where you got your info from.

-silver thunder 600 ft western themed monster that will go out in to lake erie cedar point-

Hahahahah! Thx for the laugh. That was pretty funny, and ignorant.

-Shaft if u want me to say more just
post another one of your idiot comments-

You are just begging for attention aren't you. I remember when I was twelve....

You make a dumb statement about a coaster that's already being built, and then you cry about the backlash, that's pretty "gay".

It's very sad how behind and ignorant today's youth is.

> But then again I don't see a lot of people flaunting there
> engineering degrees and where they recieved them from.

Not for nothing, but I received a BS in Aeronautical and Astonautical Engineering May 1999.

I have nothing else of value to add to this thread =]
lata, jeremy

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

yeah I am thinking this is really not true! 600 ft please thats insane a 600 ft ride is way way way down the line! Do you know how much that would cost the park? I was watching super coasters and the president of cedar point said that top thrill dragster has to deliver day in and day out for many seasons for him to even think about going higher or faster so yeah...no its not going to happen because last time I checked top thrill keeps breaking down! So dont get your hopes up, but I do know that this ride is going to be western themed because a sign at the construction site says "Ya'll up for some serious sidewindin'?" well at least thats what it said at http://www.rcdb.com/id3570.htm but who know they could be wrong, im just saying dont get your hopes up on seeing anything higher or faster at cedar point for a while!

What's up with all these people complaining about CP flats. Damn, don't they have plenty already. There's not that much room on the "Alcatraz of fun" you know. Maybe in the kiddie section they can improve a tad, but that's about it. They have plenty of thrilling flats. Some of the CP flats are kinda rare too; Like Calypso, and Cedar Downs Racing Derby. I believe people just want to rag on CP because it's such a great park (I don't wan't to sound like a fanboy but, I'm telling it like it is). They can't make a park that is completely full of flats.

> What's up with all these people complaining about CP flats.
> Damn, don't they have plenty already. There's not that much
> room on the "Alcatraz of fun" you know. Maybe in
> the kiddie section they can improve a tad, but that's about
> it. They have plenty of thrilling flats. Some of the CP
> flats are kinda rare too; Like Calypso, and Cedar Downs
> Racing Derby. I believe people just want to rag on CP
> because it's such a great park (I don't wan't to sound like
> a fanboy but, I'm telling it like it is). They can't make a
> park that is completely full of flats.
>

Good point. I have a hard time seeing how people say they are all about thrill rides. They only have about 50 rides that aren't coasters.

> What's up with all these people complaining about CP flats.
> Damn, don't they have plenty already. There's not that much
> room on the "Alcatraz of fun" you know. Maybe in
> the kiddie section they can improve a tad, but that's about
> it. They have plenty of thrilling flats. Some of the CP
> flats are kinda rare too; Like Calypso, and Cedar Downs
> Racing Derby. I believe people just want to rag on CP
> because it's such a great park (I don't wan't to sound like
> a fanboy but, I'm telling it like it is). They can't make a
> park that is completely full of flats.
>

> Good point. I have a hard time seeing how people say they
> are all about thrill rides. They only have about 50 rides
> that aren't coasters.

Yeah, CP has a lot of stuff. But many people (not including myself) want to think that CP is nothing but Rollercoasters. That's not the case. In fact, they've only added flat rides since TTD. Nothing but coasters is something I also hear about SFMM. But I don't know 'cause I've never been there. That's the only thing I hear about SFMM. Well, to be back on subject... I've heard Megalooper, Aqua-Trax, 600 footer (least likely in my mind), and on another forum floorless (which is just dumb seeming how B&M are the only ones who make 'em and it's obviously an Intamin track). Whatever it is, I know one thing, it'll break records. Maybe not fastest, definitley not tallest, but some record. Hopefully length or most inversions. But as for whatever they may have in store for us afterwards, I hope it is a good, long woodie (maybe longest). That's the only area that CP's lacking in my opinion.

Just got back from my trip to Cedar Point (TR to follow in the next couple of days) and while there I got to talking with one of the guys that works in the Cedar Point Museum and he mentioned something interesting.

He mentioned how a while back they held track for a ride that ended up being built at Dorney Park. While there I am not to sure what to expect from this new ride, but I will say that I am intruiged. Area looks small and compact but could be a great area for something new and thrilling. Supports have been layed out (well some of them) in the construction site as of July 12th.

I will link to all my pics later on as well.

> and on
> another forum floorless (which is just dumb seeming how B&M
> are the only ones who make 'em and it's obviously an
> Intamin track).

Intamin is currently producing floorless trains for the new coaster going in Port Adventura in Spain, which is rumored to look something like what is posted below. I've also included rumored train designs here as well. It's all speculative at this stage until either Port Adventura formally announces, or Cedar Point decides to leak out train design.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPbmQ3J4FQ

> and on
> another forum floorless (which is just dumb seeming how B&M
> are the only ones who make 'em and it's obviously an
> Intamin track).

> Intamin is currently producing floorless trains for the new
> coaster going in Port Adventura in Spain, which is rumored
> to look something like what is posted below. I've also
> included rumored train designs here as well. It's all
> speculative at this stage until either Port Adventura
> formally announces, or Cedar Point decides to leak out
> train design.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPbmQ3J4FQ

If you go back in the thread, I link was already posted. I didn't have access to the detailed pic that you have, but can assume that layout is probably a little different than that one. Has anyone seen any work out on the water? I think this will stay on the land, but who knows.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

> And why spread the bunk you are reading elsewhere?

> B&M has no desire to build giant coasters and has done very
> well making solid reliable and very reliable rides.

> They will not put themselves in Intamins Possition, That
> being making something they can't make work reliably and
> costing more in maintenence than almost any park can
> afford.

> Chuck

Dragster works pretty well now. As MF also for 2 years had a tun of slow down and long lines. And had trouble with hill 3 and sometimes did not make it for some odd reason. But that's all fine now. Dragster from what I have seen, is having a good year.And you cant deny that Dragster is not at least a great thrill if anything, like not many others.

And yes I have seen the red track. And No I don't think their going huge. But they will provably beat some kind of record. With highest coaster or something. Of that form of coaster. And I'm sure it will be a great ride. All their steel rides new have been the best of the kind when new. Since Raptor and Mantis and that area of time. Those two are still two of the best in their areas of coasters. CP has not missed to often when it comes to steel. Even now MF is one of the best Giga. or whatever "Big coasters." Its not just big, its built really well and with many fun elements. Wicked Twister was built great. And im sure this one will be no different. 17 I think now in 2007. 17 dang coasters. But man Iron Dragon has got to go sooner or latter. LOL. Will put a new one their im sure eventually. I know they want to push the parking lot back also in years ahead.

> 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range.

> Who are you trying to fool? A 600 foot tall ride is too
> dangerous because of the high winds, and 180 mph is insane.
> That thing would have to have some crazy supports, or
> something really strong just to hold it up. Who is really
> going to believe this? Maybe if you had an actual press
> release from the company, but I guess you don't. To tell
> you the truth I don't see anyone building a coaster over
> 475ft tall, and I don't see any ride ever going over 130
> mph.

No it wont be that.

But I have to laugh at that, because on my old sceen name on here. I said Code name dragster would be 400 feet. Every coaster freak at that time said NO WAY IN He((. I wa slike you watch. I went out and built almost what it was on No Limits. And said, see it can be done. They were still like no way. As it was being built. They were still like "I heard its gonna stop at about 350 feet".

Even guysin here sayin gthey were experts in math and a bunch of BS. were saying they wont do it. About in the same way the guy above me is saying they would not do it now. Than they did it, and about 90% of the coaster freaks felt like fools.

This one may not be huge. But its gonna be good! And I tell you what 500 will be reached. And so will 600. After Daragster, and with new technology in the works. Yes their going sky scraper size in about 5 to 6 year or so. Im not saying CP is. But someone will.

> 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range.

> Who are you trying to fool? A 600 foot tall ride is too
> dangerous because of the high winds, and 180 mph is insane.
> That thing would have to have some crazy supports, or
> something really strong just to hold it up. Who is really
> going to believe this? Maybe if you had an actual press
> release from the company, but I guess you don't. To tell
> you the truth I don't see anyone building a coaster over
> 475ft tall, and I don't see any ride ever going over 130
> mph.

No it wont be that.

But I have to laugh at that, because on my old sceen name on here. I said Code name dragster would be 400 feet. Every coaster freak at that time said NO WAY IN He((. I wa slike you watch. I went out and built almost what it was on No Limits. And said, see it can be done. They were still like no way. As it was being built. They were still like "I heard its gonna stop at about 350 feet".

Even guysin here sayin gthey were experts in math and a bunch of BS. were saying they wont do it. About in the same way the guy above me is saying they would not do it now. Than they did it, and about 90% of the coaster freaks felt like fools.

This one may not be huge. But its gonna be good! And I tell you what 500 will be reached. And so will 600. After Daragster, and with new technology in the works. Yes their going sky scraper size in about 5 to 6 year or so. Im not saying CP is. But someone will.

Sorry for the double post. But as far as no cast going 130. The said before MF no caster would go 300 or over 80. Now were only about what 5 or 6mph away frm 130. Will see 130 vary soon. Were pretty much at 130. And if not Cedar Point will just always have some of the biggist coasters in the world than I guess. Which I guess we can live with that also.

> Sorry for the double post. But as far as no cast going
> 130. The said before MF no caster would go 300 or over 80.
> Now were only about what 5 or 6mph away frm 130. Will see
> 130 vary soon. Were pretty much at 130. And if not Cedar
> Point will just always have some of the biggist coasters in
> the world than I guess. Which I guess we can live with that
> also.

WTF,,,, Coaster I mean,,, Im up late trying to sweat out a hangover. I swear I cant type that bad, I have like a type bug in my computer or something. We even tested this on a post on a game site once. And sure enough. My sister did the post, who cant spell a word wrong in her life. And once posted a few words were messed up???

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

(PLEASE DONT GET MAD AT ME IF THIS IS NOT TRUE) I heard that the new rollercoaster at CP might be called "The Maverick". Also, It will be A RECORD BREAKER!

I read over the whole post with all the replys and got one thing to say---

I HOPE IT IS RECORD BREAKER 600FT!!!!!

I'm the biggest cp fan there is!!!! I really like their coasters and all rides their.

and I'm also tired of that park in NJ having the title of tallest and fastest. I want it back where it belongs at cp.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

> And why spread the bunk you are reading elsewhere?

> B&M has no desire to build giant coasters and has done very
> well making solid reliable and very reliable rides.

> They will not put themselves in Intamins Possition, That
> being making something they can't make work reliably and
> costing more in maintenence than almost any park can
> afford.

> Chuck
Poor Chuck....FYI buddy. You are absolutely wrong. Cedarpoint is building a new coaster, and if you've been to Cedarpoint this year, you would have seen the construction going on. It's not under wraps and CP wanted it that way. Go to their website and read the lastest please instead of debunking

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> ok i worked for cedar point and all i can say is that yes
> they r building a new roller coaster for the 2007 season.
> As you all may know or not.... its Dick Kinzels last year
> as ceo and he wants to go out with a bang from what i know
> the roller coaster will be called THE PATRIOT and is
> suppose to top around 500 somthing feet tall and go around
> 150 to 170 mph. you can say whatever you want but trust me
> comming from somebody who works there i know whats going on

I might possibly believe you but with your post it hurt my eyes. It is not Dick Kinzel's last year, since he bought out Paraomount.He will be staying on as CEO for I would say about 5 years to make the transition go smoothly.

Also, Cedar Fair already has a roller coaster called the Patriot. All of Cedar Point's coaster names are unique. 500 feet is highly unlikely also, because I distinctly remember Dick Kinzel saying he wouldn't build that high again.

Especially the one way you can do that without costing 50 million dollars is a rocket. Your theory is plain wrong. The way I see it, is CP will be getting a mega-looper around 250 feet with 11 or 12 inversions.

By the way if people forget, Cedar Point's announcement will happen at the end of August. And the person above me, if you work for Cedar Point, I highly doubt you know what they are building, seeing as most people that aren't top management don't know. Second of all, even if you did know, you are bound by confidentiality by the park. You really want to break that by posting on an internet message board? Way to go!

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Nicely said Katie. That whole "Patriot" thing sounds very offbase considering like Katie said, Cedar Fair doesn't do the repeat coaster thing. Something like "Maverick" is more likely (I'm not saying that's necessarily going to be the offical name of the coaster). Sometimes I wonder were do people get there sources from.

Looks like Intamin's entry into a floorless design and nothing more.

Given its location, a Western motif is highly likely. I'm guessing a bucking bronco theme.

My bets are the only records they will be breaking are "longest and fastest" of this new breed of Intamin coaster.

The whole "serious sidewindin'" clues in the park make me think they're going for the inversion record, as well. Western theme does seem like a lock right now.

> ok i worked for cedar point and all i can say is that yes
> they r building a new roller coaster for the 2007 season.
> As you all may know or not.... its Dick Kinzels last year
> as ceo and he wants to go out with a bang from what i know
> the roller coaster will be called THE PATRIOT and is
> suppose to top around 500 somthing feet tall and go around
> 150 to 170 mph. you can say whatever you want but trust me
> comming from somebody who works there i know whats going on
I only hope u're right. I don't want be let down if it's not true. U're right about Kinzels last year being next year. I read that too that somebody posted. He said before he retired, he wanted to build something that would outdo dragster.

> I only hope u're right. I don't want be let down if it's
> not true. U're right about Kinzels last year being next
> year. I read that too that somebody posted. He said before
> he retired, he wanted to build something that would outdo
> dragster.

It was supposed to be Dick Kinzel's last year, until they bought out Paramount. If you listen to their cast about buying out paramount he specifically says that he will NOT be retiring next year. If you would read my post about 5 posts up you would see that.

You can listen to the conference call at Cedar Fair's website if you don't believe me.

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> If all of you who replied to this message had read the
> rumor, it also said that he also got bashed when he
> released the rumor about Top Thrill Dragster. Everyone said
> he was nuts and that there was no way that they would build
> a coaster over 400 ft tall. I never said that the 500 to
> 600 ft that it will happen, it just you might think Cedar
> Point might do something like that because they have a
> history of wanting record breaking coasters. Gemini was the
> first over 125 ft. Magnum was the first over 200 ft. Raptor
> was the tallest and fastest inverted coaster. Millenium
> Force was the first over 300 ft. Top Thrill Dragster was
> the first over 400 ft. So why not continue to the quest for
> the tallest and fastest coaster in the world. Right now
> coaster designers are saying with all the new technology in
> the software they use, there is no limit to what they can
> do safley. I have always beleived in the saying if you
> don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
> So in the future if you want to bash people DON'T!!!!
Calm down.....relax. Is it really necessary to take it personally?

If they do go over 500 ft, which would make more sense than 600, my guess is 540. Why? I noticed a pattern.
The formula is last barrier plus one hundred plus feet over last barrier times two. Or CP=B+100+(2F). I call the CP Theorem!
Magnum=205
200+100+(5x2)= 310
MF=310
300+100+(10x2)= 420
TTD=420
400+100+(20x2)= 540!
Maybe a bit complicated, but it seemed simpler in my head.

That calculation has been thrown around quite abit, and has been since Dragster went up. I'd rather see the inversion records beaten than another height one.

Tim.

> The whole "serious sidewindin'" clues in the park
> make me think they're going for the inversion record, as
> well. Western theme does seem like a lock right now.

Now THAT is some deductive reasoning, my dear Watson! ;-)

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

The new Roller coaster in cedar point is going to be a Giga coaster. If you go to the breakers Express the track is laying out next to it. The construction is taking place behind the Millennium Force's first over-banked curve.

Cedar point should really build some thing over the kingda ka. The title Tallest and Fastest belongs to Cedar Point.

They already have a giga coaster. Or have you forgotten that. They aren't going to build the same thing they already have. That is just plain stupid on their part.

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Especially since they won't. Cedar Point likes making new things, or at least making an old thing better. They already have a dynamite giga and it wouldn't make sense (or cents) to do a repeat. I'd bet $1,000(monopoly money) they wouldn't make another giga. And if you're going to make things up (which is my assumption since another giga isn't plausable), at least get our hopes up with something exciting, not a second giga!

I also dont think CP will build another giga, and if they did build another coaster like TTd or KK that would be idiotic. The only way a new giga would be a good idea would be if they thought of a totally different way to do it.

A 70 mph wind on the ears is fairly loud if you're sitting in the first row. The sound level goes up geometrically (not linearly) with the windspeed. The terminal velocity of a skydiver is around 125 mph of which the sound level would be much louder (especially up front). The sound level of a 180 mph wind would be unbearable.

As roller coasters get taller, more track must be built as well as more support columns. A 180 mph ride would make a mile-long track awfully short, although it might average 120 mph--still over in 30 seconds from start to finish. Total price: prohibitive.

I think it would be awesome if Cedar Point built another rollercoaster that exceeded TTD or KK. That would be awesome. Very thrilling. 500 feet would be fun but I doubt they will do it. But I think it would be awesome if they built another thrilling and wild rollercoaster. I don't understand why you are think they would be idiotic by doing so.

> I think it would be awesome if Cedar Point built another
> rollercoaster that exceeded TTD or KK. That would be
> awesome. Very thrilling. 500 feet would be fun but I doubt
> they will do it. But I think it would be awesome if they
> built another thrilling and wild rollercoaster. I don't
> understand why you are think they would be idiotic by doing
> so.

I said that it would be idiotic to build another roller coaster JUST LIKE TTD or KK. If they found a different way to do it that was fun and not a 500 lawn ornament that was exactly like TTD, fine.

I dont want to get anybodys hopes up but the track is triangular and I dont know what other kind of coaster has triangular track.

have u took a look at pointbuzz.com. I do everyday cause they're updating about everyday. This thing is going to be big. I don't want put a wrench into anybody's thinking that it's a loop ride but that's what I'll do cause it's not I don't believe. If this is a big as I think it's going to be, it's going to make a strata coaster look like woodstock express lol. just kidding but it will top strata I believe.

> have u took a look at pointbuzz.com. I do everyday cause
> they're updating about everyday. This thing is going to be
> big. I don't want put a wrench into anybody's thinking that
> it's a loop ride but that's what I'll do cause it's not I
> don't believe. If this is a big as I think it's going to
> be, it's going to make a strata coaster look like woodstock
> express lol. just kidding but it will top strata I believe.

Explain to me how you think that? Nothing indicates that it will be a strata. Second of all, why would Cedar Point actually build above 420 feet after the fiasco they had with Top Thrill Dragster? It took them over 2 seasons to straighten the kinks out of the ride. There is no possible way that Dick Kinzel would build that high again. And certainely not another rocket coaster. Do you have any idea how much it would cost for a full circuit coaster above 420 feet?

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The "yall up for some serious sidewindnin'" makes it clear that this coaster can go on it's side and be on it's side for along time. I highly doubt a strata coaster can go on it's side. The only coaster type that can go on it's side that has triangular track is a giga. I'm not saying that it is a giga and I do think it's idiotic to build another but it looks like thats what it's going to be. I may be wrong so dont get your hopes up. The Coaster "X" doesn't have triangular track but it might be capable to go on triangular track. Tell me if I'm wrong and dont be angry.

GigaFreak

Have any of you who think it will be a big coaster, as in height, been to Cedar Point this year? There is NO WAY they are breaking any height records on this one. You don't seem to consider the run out at the bottom of a 500 foot drop would have to be much longer than Draggie's to safely bring riders out of it. White Water Landing's location is not THAT big.

However, based on the pics at PointBuzz, it looks like another launched ride is on its way IMO and I won't be surprised if they went with LIMS this time.

G-Dog

I have Been to Cedar Point 2 weeks ago. The construction site isnt that big for a launched coaster. The Supports go through the water on the other side of snake river falls. It Twists'n'Turns and couldnt possibly be an LM. I've also cheaked out the track. Its Not LM Track. How can an LM possibly fit into that tiny spot.

LIM**

I doubt That Cedar Point Will break ant height records on this one. Theres not enough space for a launched coaster. I wish they would build something over Kingda Ka, but I doubt they have the room.

The formula

205+100=310(MF)
310+100=420(TTD)
420+100=540
Dosent make cents because they have to stop somewhere. Right?

^^^^ Sorry to point this out but 420+100=what again?

> Explain to me how you think that? Nothing indicates that it
> will be a strata. Second of all, why would Cedar Point
> actually build above 420 feet after the fiasco they had
> with Top Thrill Dragster? It took them over 2 seasons to
> straighten the kinks out of the ride. There is no possible
> way that Dick Kinzel would build that high again. And
> certainely not another rocket coaster. Do you have any idea
> how much it would cost for a full circuit coaster above 420
> feet?

> Try again!
Katie,Katie,Katie go to pointbuzz.com and see 4 yourself. This thing is going to be humongus. And remember when it happens, just remember, I told u so. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this thing is going to be above 500 possibley 600. As 4 the rocket coaster part, it's already starting to look like it's going to launch at 1 part. And the money part is no problem 4 cp.
If u have not done so, I recommend going to pointbuzz.com and look at what they got so far u'll see what I'm talking about. I'm telling u I'm not wrong on this 1. And I can't wait!!!!!!

> I have Been to Cedar Point 2 weeks ago. The construction
> site isnt that big for a launched coaster. The Supports go
> through the water on the other side of snake river falls.
> It Twists'n'Turns and couldnt possibly be an LM. I've also
> cheaked out the track. Its Not LM Track. How can an LM
> possibly fit into that tiny spot.
>
If u only been to the construction site, u might think that. but have been to pointbuzz.com. This thing extends out way beyound where u're talking about.

http://pointbuzz.com

> I doubt That Cedar Point Will break ant height records on
> this one. Theres not enough space for a launched coaster. I
> wish they would build something over Kingda Ka, but I doubt
> they have the room.
they have room trust me u'll not be disapointed.

http://pointbuzz.com

> Have any of you who think it will be a big coaster, as in
> height, been to Cedar Point this year? There is NO WAY they
> are breaking any height records on this one. You don't seem
> to consider the run out at the bottom of a 500 foot drop
> would have to be much longer than Draggie's to safely bring
> riders out of it. White Water Landing's location is not
> THAT big.

> However, based on the pics at PointBuzz, it looks like
> another launched ride is on its way IMO and I won't be
> surprised if they went with LIMS this time.

> G-Dog
don't say never is all I have to say. Do I get to laugh at everybody who thinks it won't be a record breaker when it happens? lol The link below will pretty much put a wrench in that thought.

http://pointbuzz.com

^Have you been to PointBuzz? I don't see any supports going 500 feet in the air. (http://pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=4525)

It looks like it's inspired by Rita and Kanonen. Looking at the twisted track, I wouldn't be surprised to find a couple of inversions in there. I don't see this thing going anywhere near any speed or height records...at least it doesn't look like it.

ThrillVelocity

Just because you visit pointbuzz doesn't mean they know anything different then you or I. I am telling you going 600 feet is out of the question for CP. Cedar Point does have money issues. Their parent company just bought Paramount Parks. Do you really think they are going to put themselves more into debt going 500-600 feet? I think not.

Pointbuzz is not that special when it comes to CP. This hype was the same back in 2003 with Top Thrill Dragster. If the coaster has a launch which could be very well possible, they probably won't go with hydraulic launch again. LIM's could be possible, but I really think Cedar Point will go for an inversion record. They really need inversions in the park. And Cedar Point wants a record breaker, there is more then just height and speed. Inversions, length and all others can be included in record breaking.

Like I have said before everyone will have to wait for one more month when Cedar Point announces "Maverick" the project name. Which I do think they will use somehow in the name of the coaster.

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I hear what u're saying but I just don't think they're going 4 inversions. Loops are a thing of the past. Loops aren't where its at now. cp knows that. but to be honest with u I hope they don't go 4 something tame as that. I want it extreme and that's the route cp goes.

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I forgot t say who I was replying to. It was 4 Katie.

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Another thing about the name u think it is Katie. I think it might be called PATRIOT. I'm hoping.

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I'm pretty sure a giga or a height or speed record breaker are out of the question.
I think CP should go a different route with records as well. If they did length and inversions, the could make space between the loops(or any cool new inversions they may think of) so you don't get too nausiated.
And, if you think that the only triangular tracked intamin is a giga, well there is also hyper (not much of a difference though). I hope the can make something new that has a triangular track, not a giga.
Maverick and a western theme are locks to me. And so far the color scheme doesn't thrill me. I Love layouts, and they need good color to match them. CP already has enough red (Magnum) and should do something new (like hot pink LOL). I think color is a problem in CP. When I think Raptor, I think dinosaur. Raptor is referring to a bird of prey though, and the green track doesn't help what they are trying to get across.
Well, in conclusion... I love CP, I hope they make a record breaker(whatever that record may be), and I hope they get to their senses and make plans for a good woodie when Maverick is finished.

> Katie,Katie,Katie go to pointbuzz.com and see 4 yourself.
> This thing is going to be humongus. And remember when it
> happens, just remember, I told u so. There is absolutely no
> doubt in my mind this thing is going to be above 500
> possibley 600. As 4 the rocket coaster part, it's already
> starting to look like it's going to launch at 1 part. And
> the money part is no problem 4 cp.

And if it's anything but 500 or 600, just remember that WE, as a united URC is concerned, told you so.

And as previously mentioned, CF just bought the Paramount Parks so they don't have the money you think they have. My feeling is that after the issues they've had with Draggie they got a very good deal from Intamin on this one.

As for being called Patriot, not going to happen since they've already trademarked Maverick, which makes sense for the ride's location.

I must also say that I'm tired of red coasters. I like the color of the supports but the track should have been yellow, brown, or dark green.

G-Dog

I am going to have to agree with Katie that this is going to be an inversion record breaking coaster, a huge one none the less, guessing by the footprint of the coaster already. I however, do not like the colour scheme, and since when does red fit into a western scheme?
I could have done a better colour scheme in RCT, but I do hope they don't paint it orange like they did with Maggie and Draggin' Iron.

Tim.

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> If u only been to the construction site, u might think
> that. but have been to pointbuzz.com. This thing extends
> out way beyound where u're talking about.

Ive been through the construction site. It's not big enough for a straight-away to make it go over the dragster's height. How do you think it's going to be Huge, twist, turn, and do inversions at the same time? I doubt it's going to be huge.

From the construction photos so far, might this be some "new" type of coaster that has some unique banking or turning element to it? Something that might qualify as an "inversion" simply by twisting and writhing, kind of like overbanking or even 360 degree hearline rolls? The photos makes it seem like it stays closer to the ground, so perhaps this is not a height coaster.

I still think the best bet is for record-breaking inversions. However, what if they break the record for TALLEST looping coaster (sit down)? I was perusing the Rollercoaster Database and I think the record holder is Speed at Nascar Café in Vegas @ 224'. It only features one vertical loop, however. Colossus of Thorpe Park in the UK has 10 inversions, but only a 98' tall lift.

The track isnt laying out at the construction site in the pics at pointbuzz.com. Its laying out at the Breakers Express. The actual construction site is in the park next to the Mean Streak.(AKA) A very Tiny Spot!

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I've seen that before, and I think that's the type of coaster the new coaster at CP will be(specifically).

But hopefully they take that concept in a new direction instead of just twistin' and turnin'(serious sidewindin'), they also have some new or traditional inversions. It seemd like that would be a good coaster for length if you tried hard enough.

I'm sure that CP will break a record with this one. Whatever record it may be, I'll bet I'll love the thing to death (except for most deaths record).

As for color... I don't like red and tan. Dark green track with black supports. I've never seen one like this, but I think they would go well together. The closest to that color scheme is Phantom's Revenge (light green, kinda like lime), and that looks good. CP has enough RED!

Im just guessing here, as most of us are. I think that it will be something fast and twisting. Im not too sure that it will be outrageously tall. Maybe a launch, to get up to speed really quickly, and attain that speed throughout some wicked inversions and overbanking.

After all, most of the clues up till now lead me to believe its kinda based upon riding a buck'n bull thats on crack. So thats the kind of coaster that comes to mind. I dont think strato-height has anything to do with a buck'n bull ride.

DEE

> Nicely said Katie. That whole "Patriot" thing
> sounds very offbase considering like Katie said, Cedar Fair
> doesn't do the repeat coaster thing.

Really?

Point of fact (pun intended), Cedar Fair has repeated names in the past and on more than one occasion see below.

"Steel Venom" is both at GL and at VF.

"Thunderhawk" they are different rides completely but this name is used at both Dorney and GL.

Oh and then there is "Corkscrew" that is at not just 2 or 3 parks, but 5 different CF properties!

There may be more examples, and, I only used the CF properites as of the 2006 pre paramount buyout,since these rides/parks may very well have name changes in the works for next year.

Not trying to piss anyone off I just wanted to point out for the everyones sake an error in regard to what CF does and does not do (or has and has not done). I am no expert on what this ride will be or what they will call it, but as you can see from the above CF does and has repeated names. That does not mean that from here on outs it's all orginal names, but I sure hope so.

Kelly

You didn't understand what I said Kelly. All of Cedar Point's names when they come into the park are original. Those names are then used at other parks, but you won't see the same coaster name at say Dorney. For instance, say Dorney built another coaster, they wouldn't name it Blue Streak or Mean Streak. Cedar Point keeps most of their coaster names very original.

I don't see Cedar Point using the name Patriot. Worlds of Fun already has that name, they won't use it. I definitely see the park using something with the name of Maverick, but I dont' know if that will be the full name.

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it's going to be called the Maverick. It's trade marked by them already. Im 99.9% sure it's going to be called the maverick. It going to be like the coaster X in California.

> it's going to be called the Maverick. It's trade marked by
> them already. Im 99.9% sure it's going to be called the
> maverick. It going to be like the coaster X in California.

Maverick has been thrown around a lot is what I would put money on. The similarities to X are only going to be on the way the ride is ridden. If you have seen the layout of the ride at Port Aventura, it has a large piece of property that is used for this ride and it brings up something that I would like to know....are they going to go out over the water with this one since there is such a small piece of land that they are working with?

Brett

> You didn't understand what I said Kelly. All of Cedar
> Point's names when they come into the park are original.
> Those names are then used at other parks, but you won't see
> the same coaster name at say Dorney. For instance, say
> Dorney built another coaster, they wouldn't name it Blue
> Streak or Mean Streak. Cedar Point keeps most of their
> coaster names very original.

I agree that most of the names on cedar points coasters are original names that were not copyrighted but 6 current rides at cp(4 coasters 1 water ride)mainly corkscrew, wildcat, blue streak, woodstock express, thunder canyon(river raft ride)& power tower were all copyrighted at other parks plus even though the log flume ride is not there any more dorney park also has a white water landing & also the corkscrew at silverwood opened up at kbf a year before cedar points one & the blue streak at conneaut lake park opened up before cedar points blue streak but i agree with you with the exception of these names all the other names at cedar point are original names that were not copyrighted.

> I don't see Cedar Point using the name Patriot. Worlds of
> Fun already has that name, they won't use it. I definitely
> see the park using something with the name of Maverick, but
> I dont' know if that will be the full name.

I am also 90% sure the name will be maverick but we will have to wait & see until cp makes the official announcement.I remember mantis was supposed to be banshee but then they changed it to mantis but we still don,t know anything yet.Just lake they changed the stand up coaster from banshee to mantis there is the posibility of them changing the name from maverick to another name just like they changed the stand up coaster from banshee to mantis but i still think the name will be maverick but then you never know weather they will do a name change like they did on the stand up roller coaster.

As far as the type of coaster everyone knows it,s going to be an intamin with red track i doubt it if it,s going to be a 500 or 600 foot tall coaster i have the feeling it,s going to be one of these 3 different types of coasters either

A)Coaster with 11 or 12 inversions to take away the inversion record from colossus at thorpe park or

B)Tallest looping coaster higher than speed the ride and/or manhattan express in las vegas or

C)4TH dimensional coaster like x at sfmm.

I have this feeling it,s going to be one of the above mentioned 3 types of coasters.

skc2000

Banshee would've been a perfect name (Mantis), because that's exactly what the coaster sounds like when it zooms over your head, a wailing banshee. But of course this country has to be so damn PC about everything. Even though the name Mantis is cool too.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

>Maverick has been thrown around a lot is what I would put >money on. The similarities to X are only going to be on the >way the ride is ridden. If you have seen the layout of the >ride at Port Aventura, it has a large piece of property that >is used for this ride and it brings up something that I would >like to know....are they going to go out over the water with >this one since there is such a small piece of land that they >are working with?

>Brett

So i'm in agreement with both of these individuls. I believe that CP will attempt to break the height/speed record and like Brett said maybe water could come into play. Ever heard of 7 mile bridge? yes, building over water is possible and lake erie has a lot of it, so i say build the biggest baddest coaster possible!!

In defense of CF about Geauga Lake, figuring that they bought GL from Six Flags in March of 2004, that didn't give them a lot of time to come up with original names for the some of the big attractions. No one else around here knows that Steel Venom is in Minnesota and Dominator is in Pennsylvania. Besides, you don't think Beaver Land Mine Ride isn't original? ;-)

Also Blue Streak was named in honor of the Sandusky High School Blue Streaks.

Knott's was not even close to being a CF park when CP added their Corkscrew. Corkscrew was a rather generic name that was popular during the late 70's.

G-Dog, who is not pissed off. Just wanted to make some corrections.

Geauga Lake Today

Hey guys... first post here.

Went to CP yesterday, here's a few crummy camera phone shots of the construction of the new ride.... think they offer any better speculation as to what it is?

Last one is probably the best shot.

http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0731061823ib5.jpg
http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0731061824zo6.jpg
http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0731061824asq8.jpg

-Mike

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

I made my first trip to CP in early June this year. Absolutely loved the park, although MF was out of service both days we were their. A major dissapointment to me and my 7 year old who was majorly pumped about riding her largest coaster.

Anyway, after seeing the building site, I am tending to think smaller and less agressive. I would love to see a major record breaker, but I am fearfull they will end up putting a spinning roller coaster in that spot. I hope they prove me wrong, but the pylons and size look about the shape of Spinning Dragons at WOF. And that could go along with the sidewinder theme. Although, the triangular track gives hope for something different.

Does anybody know when (this month) CP will make the offical name announcement of the 2007 coaster and if there is going to be a press release

> Does anybody know when (this month) CP will make the
> offical name announcement of the 2007 coaster and if there
> is going to be a press release

I was in cedar point Today and I asked someone what the name is and they said Maverick. Youre welcome, 217mattg.

> Does anybody know when (this month) CP will make the
> offical name announcement of the 2007 coaster and if there
> is going to be a press release

I would expect the announcement to come later this month or in September. That is based on Cedar Point's past history of making announcements.

It will be hard to miss considering all of the recent discussion.

Im in Cedar Point right now in the cyber cafe and im telling you IT IS GOING TO BE CALLED THE MAVERICK!!!!!

> Im in Cedar Point right now in the cyber cafe and im
> telling you IT IS GOING TO BE CALLED THE MAVERICK!!!!!

Dude, we get it....for cryin outloud, you don't have to yell! Besides if you read the patent it says Maverick on it!

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> Im in Cedar Point right now in the cyber cafe and im
> telling you IT IS GOING TO BE CALLED THE MAVERICK!!!!!

> Dude, we get it....for cryin outloud, you don't have to
> yell! Besides if you read the patent it says Maverick on
> it!
Katie, I put the exclamation marks to show excitement not yelling. I just cant wait until its built.

We understand, but can you refrain from giving us information we have already heard a bajillion times. I don't mean to be rude but come on! We know it's going to be called Maverick. The only other name I've heard was Patriot and that doesn't seem plausible.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

Okay this CANNOT be true becuz i had watched something on the Discovery channel called: Supercoasters, and it had said that we have a certain amount of speed we can take b4 we "break down"... TOp Thrill Dragster/Kingda Ka, is basically as fast as our bodies can handle..... So 600 feet cannot b and the 180mph might collapse our lungs...so this rumor is NOT true

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

I don't believe that is happening. I just got back from Cedar Point. I saw the construction area. Cedar Point doesn't want another ride like Top Thrill, and if there was a coaster built thats 600 feet tall, it would have to have a similiar design as Top Thrill or Kingda Ka. There's not enough room in the construstion zone for a ride like that, plus the supports wouldn't match the design. I think they have more of a need for a ride that hold the record for inversions instead or for height and speed. They have Top Thrill Dragster, Number 2 Tallest and Fastest. Cedar Point wouldn't go through so much trouble to move up one spot in the standings. Record for inversions is 10. Coaster in Denmark, Number 2 is in Belgium or something. Cedar Point only has 3 rides with inversions. Corkscrew, Raptor, Mantis. I think they need another inversion ride. Most of the rides they built beat the height and speed records when they were built. They need one with an inversion record. Thanks for the Message

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MilleniumForce

No. They NEED a good woodie. It would be NICE if they had an inversion record. Almost all of the coasters at Cedar Point broke a record. Whether is be height, speed, inversions, or all three (in their category at least), they smash records into tiny pieces and eat them and chew them and grind them....... Oh, what was I saying. CP has good invert coasters. They have more of them than woodies, and THAT is a shame. And this is comin' from a steelie lover.

Good Point Ethan. It IS a shame that they're not building a woodie. I wish they were also. Pretty much all of the woodies at CP are too rough. Maybe I'm expecting too much from woodies, but I have been on wooden coasters that are way smoother than any of the wooden coasters at CP. I'm not a huge fan of the woodies, but, you're asolutely correct, CP does need a good wooden coaster. I think they're best one is Mean Streak, which is tons of fun, but I think I lost some IQ points on that ride, way to bumpy. Gemini is fun, too, but it doesn't really have a decent drop, like Mean Streak does. Great comment, Ethan, I never even thought about them building a good woodie!

Keep on Riding,
MilleniumForce

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

> Okay this CANNOT be true becuz i had watched something on
> the Discovery channel called: Supercoasters, and it had
> said that we have a certain amount of speed we can take b4
> we "break down"... TOp Thrill Dragster/Kingda Ka,
> is basically as fast as our bodies can handle..... So 600
> feet cannot b and the 180mph might collapse our lungs...so
> this rumor is NOT true

Umm, hello? Race car driver go up to 300mph, I know they don't get as much of the G's, but still, DISCOVERY CHANEL LIES!! Rawrrr

Keep on Riding,
MilleniumForce

> MilleniumForce

Gemini is a steel coaster.

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.
im not sure what that new ride is going to be. it is a cedar point secret for now. the footers are already in. im pretty darn sure it is going to be a rollercoaster. what ever it is you can pretty much bet it will break another world record! they are teasing us with hints. i know it. they just cant spill the beans yet. they probably will after the park closes for the season. i visit there website almost every day.

> You didn't understand what I said Kelly. All of Cedar
> Point's names when they come into the park are original.
> Those names are then used at other parks, but you won't see
> the same coaster name at say Dorney. For instance, say
> Dorney built another coaster, they wouldn't name it Blue
> Streak or Mean Streak. Cedar Point keeps most of their
> coaster names very original.

> I agree that most of the names on cedar points coasters are
> original names that were not copyrighted but 6 current
> rides at cp(4 coasters 1 water ride)mainly corkscrew,
> wildcat, blue streak, woodstock express, thunder
> canyon(river raft ride)& power tower were all
> copyrighted at other parks plus even though the log flume
> ride is not there any more dorney park also has a white
> water landing & also the corkscrew at silverwood opened
> up at kbf a year before cedar points one & the blue
> streak at conneaut lake park opened up before cedar points
> blue streak but i agree with you with the exception of
> these names all the other names at cedar point are original
> names that were not copyrighted.

> I don't see Cedar Point using the name Patriot. Worlds of
> Fun already has that name, they won't use it. I definitely
> see the park using something with the name of Maverick, but
> I dont' know if that will be the full name.

> I am also 90% sure the name will be maverick but we will
> have to wait & see until cp makes the official
> announcement.I remember mantis was supposed to be banshee
> but then they changed it to mantis but we still don,t know
> anything yet.Just lake they changed the stand up coaster
> from banshee to mantis there is the posibility of them
> changing the name from maverick to another name just like
> they changed the stand up coaster from banshee to mantis
> but i still think the name will be maverick but then you
> never know weather they will do a name change like they did
> on the stand up roller coaster.

> As far as the type of coaster everyone knows it,s going to
> be an intamin with red track i doubt it if it,s going to be
> a 500 or 600 foot tall coaster i have the feeling it,s
> going to be one of these 3 different types of coasters
> either

> A)Coaster with 11 or 12 inversions to take away the
> inversion record from colossus at thorpe park or

> B)Tallest looping coaster higher than speed the ride and/or
> manhattan express in las vegas or

> C)4TH dimensional coaster like x at sfmm.

> I have this feeling it,s going to be one of the above
> mentioned 3 types of coasters.

> skc2000

> that is what im thinking too. these ingenious rollercoaster designers are so smart with their homework and computer designed scream machines that the sky is the limit. but with limited g force for sure. if it went out over the water it would have piles driven far down below the lake for stability so they cant settle. there is only a few limits. number one is what can the human body handle as far as g force. number two is how much is the park willing to spend on it. i dont think this new ride will go over the water but it could be an idea in the future if it doesnt. they are limited on land for another mammoth ride like millennium force. a very nice idea would be a rollercoaster that goes over and around the whole entire park. any thing is possible in the future but i dont think this ride is going to do that either. i can tell you one thing. it is going to break a record on something. cedar point always does it. damn aint competition great for us. the riders.

> MilleniumForce

> Gemini is a steel coaster.
Yeah, but it feels to me like a woodie, it has wooden supports, and it's a racer. I think Gemini is a great ride. If it were a woodie, CP wouldn't be lacking in that department. Mean Streak was way too rough to be fun for me. And did you know that CP Mine Ride is a steelie too. Well, this is all off subject but whatever.

CP New Coaster 20??- The Incredible Woodie Yellow Streak!lol. er Red Streak? Angry Streak? Meaner Streak?

Okay for starts. Lets stop this RUMOR right here an NOW. It is just that a rumor. CP (Cedar Point) is not going to be building a new 600 foot coaster. That would be almost impossible being in the location of the lake. There is nothing around it to support a structure that massive on the little island. I do however see them reaching or at least trying to reach the 500 foot mark for next year.

The Rumor about CP building a new rollercoaster for the 2007 season is true by the way. It is a Red structure with the makings of what looks to be the same track style an Mill. Force. The new coaster is being built at the back of the park to draw more people to that area. If you decide to go to www.cedarpoint.com and look at the Webcam gallery you will see some of the coaster already built.

From what I know they are not building the high parts till the season is over so no one knows the true height of this marvelous companies new plans. I know people that work for both CP and the company that makes there coaster chains. Alot of them don't even know what is in store or who is building it. It is being keep on the down low.

SO in closing.......All I have to say is "CP you Rock.......GOOD LUCK and make it the Best Coaster EVER."

Ok..was was gonna say..Where in the hell have you been? As if we all just opened our eyes and noticed new track at Cedar Point. Then again.. the last post on this Rumor posts was way back in early August. LOL

We will all find out next week when they make the official announcement on Sept 7th. Thank god! watch the litte banner on the top of www.cedarpoint.com

> Okay for starts. Lets stop this RUMOR right here an NOW. It
> is just that a rumor. CP (Cedar Point) is not going to be
> building a new 600 foot coaster. That would be almost
> impossible being in the location of the lake. There is
> nothing around it to support a structure that massive on
> the little island. I do however see them reaching or at
> least trying to reach the 500 foot mark for next year.

> The Rumor about CP building a new rollercoaster for the
> 2007 season is true by the way. It is a Red structure with
> the makings of what looks to be the same track style an
> Mill. Force. The new coaster is being built at the back of
> the park to draw more people to that area. If you decide to
> go to www.cedarpoint.com and look at the Webcam gallery
> you will see some of the coaster already built.

> From what I know they are not building the high parts till
> the season is over so no one knows the true height of this
> marvelous companies new plans. I know people that work for
> both CP and the company that makes there coaster chains.
> Alot of them don't even know what is in store or who is
> building it. It is being keep on the down low.

> SO in closing.......All I have to say is "CP you
> Rock.......GOOD LUCK and make it the Best Coaster
> EVER."

>

> I got this info from Screamscape. Cedar Point might be
> building a new coaster for 2007. Screamscape says they have
> a contract with Bolliger & Mabilard to mabey build a
> mamouth record smashing coaster. Not at 500 feet tall but
> bypass that and make it 600 feet tall WOW! That might put
> it in the 180mph range. his will be totally cool if this is
> true.

I don't think it will be by B&M, or that large. All I know is that whatever CP is Building it will be GREAT! CP is awsome at that. I don't see 600 feet comming any time soon, but I also thought it would have been a long time before anything like Top Thrill.

> I don't think it will be by B&M, or that large. All I know
> is that whatever CP is Building it will be GREAT! CP is
> awsome at that. I don't see 600 feet comming any time soon,
> but I also thought it would have been a long time before
> anything like Top Thrill.

Not trying to be a jerk or anything - but if you read one of the many previous posts, we already knew it IS not B&M.

Please take a look at a few of the posts and based on the "clues" the park has up we already have a good idea of the coaster and the cars and who is making the ride.

Sept 7, 2006 is gonna be a great day. CP will announce info on the new coaster, and the NFL regular season will start.

> I don't think it will be by B&M, or that large. All I know
> is that whatever CP is Building it will be GREAT! CP is
> awsome at that. I don't see 600 feet comming any time soon,
> but I also thought it would have been a long time before
> anything like Top Thrill.

> Not trying to be a jerk or anything - but if you read one
> of the many previous posts, we already knew it IS not B&M.

> Please take a look at a few of the posts and based on the
> "clues" the park has up we already have a good
> idea of the coaster and the cars and who is making the
> ride.

You may not want to be a jark, but I will... kidding. Looking at the track alone you can see it's not going to be B&M, oy!

Tim.

The Clientele

It's not true. Cedarpoint only has 500 Ft clearence,because of the airport,which around 1-mile away.
But some did see blue track of B&M at cedarpoint,it was brought in at night.the talk is that mine ride is leaving,which is shame,it should be replace,with a new mine ride. Robert

coaster1robert Amusementpark photos

I hope what you just said isn't true, because why should CP remove a classic ride to put in a new B&M?

> Sept 7, 2006 is gonna be a great day. CP will announce info
> on the new coaster, and the NFL regular season will start.

First Steeler game of the season AND the CP announcement, I may have a heart attack!

So does anybody think this will be a record breaker, maybe over 700 feet? JUST KIDDING < make sure you see the just kidding part :)

I think that all the sane posters should maybe say a collective GOOZE FRABA to calm down from this thread ;)

Hold on guys, only one more week of this.

Zac

P.S. Here we go Steelers, Here we GO!

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this was posted on screamscape. I think many are gonna be dissappointed. but sounds very true considering what has been installed so far.

2007 - Maverick - (9/1/06) A Screamscape source has decided to spill the beans today all about Maverick. First off the ride and train may be themed as an old train ride, using several smaller trains instead of one train. In fact the trains may only hold 12 riders total and only three cars long. It will also be Cedar Point’s first use of the new Intamin shoulder restraint system they’ve been using on their other launched coasters lately. It also seems that the two part rumor I had months ago will also be true, where the ride will climb an LSM lift hill that stands only about 107 feet tall, pass over the top to a beyond vertical 95º angle and then drop to the ground into the first segment of the ride. As the ride approaches the station again, it will enter a tunnel directly under the station and lift hill where it will encounter a LSM booster train that will shoot the train out of the tunnel at 70 mph to complete the rest of the 4150 feet of track that will include a third inversion, a very low to the ground heartline spin. Our source wasn’t quite sure, but there also seemed to be a near-inversion element near the very end of the ride that was described as an “exaggerated Stengel dive”. Speaking of which, apparently Maverick will be the 500th coaster designed by Werner Stengel. The final cost is said to be around the $21 million mark.

> this was posted on screamscape. I think many are gonna be
> dissappointed. but sounds very true considering what has
> been installed so far.

> 2007 - Maverick - (9/1/06) A Screamscape source has decided
> to spill the beans today all about Maverick. First off the
> ride and train may be themed as an old train ride, using
> several smaller trains instead of one train. In fact the
> trains may only hold 12 riders total and only three cars
> long. It will also be Cedar Point’s first use of the new
> Intamin shoulder restraint system they’ve been using on
> their other launched coasters lately. It also seems that
> the two part rumor I had months ago will also be true,
> where the ride will climb an LSM lift hill that stands only
> about 107 feet tall, pass over the top to a beyond vertical
> 95º angle and then drop to the ground into the first
> segment of the ride. As the ride approaches the station
> again, it will enter a tunnel directly under the station
> and lift hill where it will encounter a LSM booster train
> that will shoot the train out of the tunnel at 70 mph to
> complete the rest of the 4150 feet of track that will
> include a third inversion, a very low to the ground
> heartline spin. Our source wasn’t quite sure, but there
> also seemed to be a near-inversion element near the very
> end of the ride that was described as an “exaggerated
> Stengel dive”. Speaking of which, apparently Maverick
> will be the 500th coaster designed by Werner Stengel. The
> final cost is said to be around the $21 million mark.
>
I'm not dissappointed. They're gonna make a coaster with one of, if not the largest, angle of descent. Sounds awesome frankly. So what if it isn't 12 inversions. But I'm not sure even with this report what the ride will really be like, and what type of ride I'd classify it as.

BTW, STEELERS SUCK!

-Ethan-

P.S. I don't say the Steelers suck to be personal, so don't bother responding (it'll just waste space that will mean nothing to either of us). I just say that because I'm from Ohio. Frankly, I know Browns suck. But they're my home team and I don't care what anyone says. I kinda like the OSU v.s. scUM better. It's probably because we woop Michigans butt. Wow, this is a lot longer than any P.S. should be.

> I'm not dissappointed. They're gonna make a coaster with
> one of, if not the largest, angle of descent. Sounds
> awesome frankly. So what if it isn't 12 inversions. But I'm
> not sure even with this report what the ride will really be
> like, and what type of ride I'd classify it as.

If by largest, you mean steepest, Maverick will come close to the steepest angle of descent, but all the gerstauler eurofighters have a 97 degree angle of descnet, so it will be 2 degrees short.

Maverick sounds pretty strange and unique. Very interesting layout. I'm excited, but with only 12 riders per train, CP is going to have a new place to put their queue line djs.

Yeah, steepest is what I meant. The word didn't come to me at the time I wrote it, and hoped someone would give me the word.
Steepest. Steeeeeepest. I better write that in my notes. LOL

-Ethan-

check this image out.

http://www.screamscape.com/html/cp_-_maverick_0.htm

oddly enough im totally interested in all this maverick mumbo jumbo, since i am a season pass holder at cedar point, and i've gone a number of times this summer and each time more and more is being completed! it is so interesting. so me, being well, me, i decided to type in www.myspace.com/cedarpoing and i found a link to the maverick at cedar point. i found an interesting picture you all should see...

http://www.myspace.com/cedarpointmaverick

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/blinkamajig/MAVERICK.jpg

i guess its not what everyone expected
and its def not 500 ft tall
bummer

damn it im so stupid
haha
i thought i was so cool posting that picture i just found
and the person before me did it!
ah i suck at life lol

> damn it im so stupid
> haha
> i thought i was so cool posting that picture i just found
> and the person before me did it!
> ah i suck at life lol

It's all good bud. I couldn't find a way to upload the photo like you did thou. Now no one has to click on the link. I can imagine there are some pretty upset people behind the scenes that this info has leaked out already. That image and what screamscape has posted looks pretty legit to what has been installed in the field. I can see why they started so early, this ride is gonna take alot of landscaping for the theme of the ride.

Now I can't wait till spring 2007.

http://www.screamscape.com/html/cp_-_maverick_0.htm

oh i know. its kind of frusterating that people keep excpecting a 500ft coaster. i mean, eventually cedar point is going to do it because they do everything but like someone else said, once ur high, you basically cant tell if youre any higher...well you can kidna..lol i cant explain it. anyways yeah they're probably pretty bummed out about it getting out, but im still excited to see it explained BY THE CEDAR POINT PEOPLE and not just rumors and hearsay. ah only 5 more days!!
maybe the picture is a fake lol but when i was at cedarpoint the other day, it looked so cool! and the tracks SOO close to the ground..that should add a cool affect, and maybe you'll have to be under a certain height to ride it ! haha jk but like i realize that those ultimate twisting rollercoasters are the best, but i hope its a comfortable twisting, get what im saying? ie the corkscrew OMG talk about playing ping pong with ur head that thing hurts! hopefully the chairs wont have over head handles cause that should make a more comfortable ride.

i think it be pretty cool if someday cedarpoint built a flying rollercoaster as high as magnum. that'd be insane. those thigns are scary/amazing!

i love cedar point :)

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Looks like it's still gonna be a record breaker. I don't believe there's a Euro-Fighter that even comes close to Maverick's track length (over 4000 ft). Most other Euro-Fighters has around 1100 to 2000 feet of track length. The only inversion that I see on the pics is, what looks like a zero-G roll. I wonder what types inversions the coaster will have. One inversion looks like a zero-G roll, the other is said to be a low to the ground heartline roll, I wonder what the other inversion will be. Some other things that's noticeable from the pictures: the extremely banked turns, and one turn look like it's cutting through some kind of rocky western theming. For me this coaster is far from being a disappointment. Don't hold your breath in the que-line.

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> Looks like it's still gonna be a record breaker. I don't
> believe there's a Euro-Fighter that even comes close to
> Maverick's track length (over 4000 ft). Most other
> Euro-Fighters has around 1100 to 2000 feet of track length.
> The only inversion that I see on the pics is, what looks
> like a zero-G roll.

Like I said in that other thread and I'd like to point out that some people immediately disputed what I posted with their foolish theories like 12-inversions or their 500-foot dreams. It's going to have three inversions and to the best of my knowledge all three will be corkscrews or whatever their called. Also, in reference to above you're confusing the issue. This is not a Euro-Fighter coaster. Just because the coaster may have a beyond vertical drop doesn't make it a Euro-Fighter. So I don't see how you can claim it is going to be a record-breaker or why it even needs to be a record-breaker to be a cool roller coaster.

I find it funny how like I predicted the fan boys would be disappointed. Already, I'm seeing the tears fall. How in the world could our beloved Cedar Point not install something with the word's tallest, fastest in the tag line? I'm done now, but it was getting old reading so many stupid speculative posts for months on end. I'm just thankful this site isn't as bad as cbuzz and the even worse thrillnetwork.

Yeah, some people are probably dissappointed that it wasn't a 500-foot monster, but most of us (at least most of the more knowledgable posters) didn't think it would be that from the get-go.

CP always breaks records. Not just tallest in the world, but sometimes it's something about the category. Raptor was the tallest, fastest, longest inverted and had the most inversions of it's kind. Ditto for Mantis (in the stand-up category) when it came out. Wicked Twister is still the tallest and fastest impulse coaster (and the only one twisted on both ends). Cp may still be going for a record in some aspect of this ride, whatever it may be.

Many thought that it would shatter the inversion record, and maybe we were dreaming at the time, but I don't see any responders sayin' it's going to be a POS just 'cause it ain't the new Top Thrill Dragster. Nobody ever said CP had to make a record breaker for it to be a cool ride.

Frankly, I find you making fun of people that thought that CP of all places would beat some kind of record very annoying. I'm not gonna point fingers, but I know that there are a lot of CP haters that probably will think the same way with this news.

-Ethan-
P.S. If you don't care for my response, please tell me why. We don't need to to have fights or grudges around here. Really, I'd like to know what you thought of what I said.

> Like I said in that other thread and I'd like to point out
> that some people immediately disputed what I posted with
> their foolish theories like 12-inversions or their 500-foot
> dreams.

Right on. I have to give you props for your take when you said the coaster will be a LIM launch, and have three inversions. I was gonna mention that you had said that, but I was going to wait until the offical announcement. I never said that Maverick will be 500 ft, or have twelve inversions, but I said "the coaster will be way more considerable than a three looper" looks like I'm wrong on that.

> This is not a Euro-Fighter coaster. Just because
> the coaster may have a beyond vertical drop doesn't make it
> a Euro-Fighter.

Yeah, I messed up when I referred to Maverick as a Euro-Fighter. I don't know what I was thinking.

> I find it funny how like I predicted the fan boys would be
> disappointed.

So far this thread remains positive about Maverick. No one is jumping off any bridges because Maverick is not 500ft, and doesn't have twelve inversions. One person said along the lines of "bummer, looks like it's not gonna be 500ft". The person wasn't bashing the hell outta the coaster or anything like that. Believe me I'm so not that person that thinks a coaster has to break a record to be cool. So far it look like Maverick isn't going to break any records, SO WHAT. I'm definitely not that person that's in denial about Maverick not breaking any records. My name should be anti-denial, I live in reality. I can't wait to go back to CP and ride Maverick.

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I'm so happy it's not 500 feet tall and with 12 inversions, although that would have been fun. The fanboys are never happy, and this isn't just for Da point, but if this is what is coming, I'm quite excited.

Tim.

> BTW, STEELERS SUCK!

Thems fightin' words :)

> P.S. I don't say the Steelers suck to be personal, so don't
> bother responding (it'll just waste space that will mean
> nothing to either of us). I just say that because I'm from
> Ohio. Frankly, I know Browns suck. But they're my home team
> and I don't care what anyone says.

I know I should've just let it go (seeing as we beat the Browns 42-0 last year at home and one of our players body slammed a Browns fan), but no self respecting Steelers fan can do that. :)

And I guess since this is a thread about Maverick, maybe I should talk about it.

Maverick looks awesome and I can't wait to ride it, but I bet the suits at Cedar Fair are steamed about the cat being out of the bag. That's what they get for keeping the secret for so long :P

Zac

P.S. Why do Browns fans even show up at games anymore? Seriously, why?

I smell a Dawg Pound vs. Blitzburgh debate. But remember the team who beat both of the teams who played in the Super Bowl XL (Seattle, Pittsburgh) in the regular season, and the Browns last year. I dare say the Jacksonville Jaguars. Week #1 The Big Tuna, T.O. and the Cowboys really think there gonna come in ALLTEL and beat the Jags! No way! I can't even remember the last time Jax lost to a NFC team in ALLTEL Stadium. Go Jags!

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> P.S. Why do Browns fans even show up at games anymore?
> Seriously, why?

Don't make me smack you. LOL. I feel that if you can't root for a bad team, you are weak! It's like the Red Socks before they won the World Series. There is always hope. When it comes to PA, I would root for Philly anyday.

-Ethan-

P.S. Did you watch the last Super Bought?

> I smell a Dawg Pound vs. Blitzburgh debate. But remember
> the team who beat both of the teams who played in the Super
> Bowl XL (Seattle, Pittsburgh) in the regular season, and
> the Browns last year. I dare say the Jacksonville Jaguars.
> Week #1 The Big Tuna, T.O. and the Cowboys really think
> there gonna come in ALLTEL and beat the Jags! No way! I
> can't even remember the last time Jax lost to a NFC team in
> ALLTEL Stadium. Go Jags!

Two words:

Tommy Maddox

Win or die situation in overtime against Jacksonville.

C-H-O-K-E

Zac

And that's all I have to say about that!

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> When it comes to PA, I would root for Philly anyday.

Oh, well, they're good too (insert sarcasm):P

Zac

P.S. And since we are on the subject of sports, I would like to say that hockey is by far the best sport ever created, so go Pens as well as Steelers. As for the Pirates, ummm, well, they have a nice stadium at least (I still root for them though).

Hockey is awesome. I love the Penguins, but mostly because that's my favorite animal. I also love Toronto and Detroit. Unfortunately, Cleveland doesn't have an NHL team, but do have some semi-professional. We just sold one of 'em, and I'm not sure if the other one still exists, but Hockey is awesome.

-Ethan-

oh, and I guess roller coasters are ok too.
LOL

Thank You for having the other post closed. I am a very carefull reader here.

I need to clarify of few errors.

TTD start build time was when CP opened on opening day the previous year. If you recall they had a wall built around the tower section as they were digging already for the foundation. Also Tribant and Chaos was closed early for dismantling early in August. Tower construction and othe ride pieces were being stored in the soak cities parking lot while I was there becoming at least in October of that year and the Tower was over half way built on there last day of being open as I found out that is one of the best days to go. MF 5 times in one hour. There was the big cranes already there they were just folded in half over the weekend due to size limits. But no the anouncement was made on January 10 2003 as I have the Toledo Blade Paper saved.

MF was announced on July 23, 1999 and they started construction early the previous year around late August. Train closed earlier around late August or in Sept.

Wicked Twister was announced at the closing time of the park or very in November.

So this is actually a pretty average time for an announcement and to me a very big surprise to me. But they are going for something new and I personally dont think we have seen anything yet. They have something up there sleve.

Also I consider all the coaster good because trully they have a very wide variety of coasters. Each show there time in history of the technology at the time of their construction and it is nice to see a park with unique types of coasters with new technology with the old.

WWL d-day started as soon as the park closed that year. Trust me I was there on last years closing day for my final farewell ride on it. As I will miss that ride dearly since it was a noce relaxing water ride that barely got you wet since it was fun do when the temputures were in the 50's. Just my thoughts.

> Unfortunately, Cleveland doesn't have an NHL team

You got the Columbus Blue Jackets.

> Two words:

> Tommy Maddox

Yeah, you're right about that.

That kinda reminds me when last year the Jags got swept by Indy, because our back up QB (David Garrard) had to play the second game against the Colts. Alot of people in Jax is crazy about Garrard, I dunno why. He's average at best and couldn't even hold Byron Leftwich's jock strap.

Remember that guy who got with all of them chicks because he said that he was Big Ben (QB for the Steelers)? Now that was funny.

> Remember that guy who got with all of them chicks because
> he said that he was Big Ben (QB for the Steelers)? Now that
> was funny.

If I looked like Big Ben and still lived in Pittsburgh, I would do the same thing :)

Zac

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If I wanted to read sports talk I would goto a sports forum. Come on guys, this is URC lets at least keep close to the topic at hand.
I also think CP has something that hasnt been revealed yet on this coaster. Im not saying it is going to be outrageously tall or anything, but there is still a missing piece of the puzzle IMO.

Just a few more days and we will find out.

DEE

Problem is, until they make the announcement, we don't have much to say. We have a good idea what it is and any new predictions may seem stupid. I too think that there might be something else to it. What are the trains going to be like?

BTW, I don't care about Columbus, I want a Northeast Ohio Team. You know, like the Sandusky Force, or the Aurora Thunder Hawks. Haha. But if Akron got a team that would be sweet.

-Ethan-
P.S. How 'bout somebody start a thread about sports on the Open Forum. It would be the most active forum there.

Ethan -

The Cleveland Barons of the AHL was a full-on professional hockey team, not semi. It was in the top minor league in the world, where most NHL players come from. "AAA" level if you will. I played in that league last year for a month and a half...I won't say where.

You also have the Toledo Storm of the ECHL, who I played against twice last year. There's also the Wheeling Nailers in that same league. The ECHL is right below the AHL, thus it's "AA" level in comparison to baseball.

I know it's off-subject, but I couldn't help myself here since it's my profession.

Aside from sports, I think Maverick is going to be a fantastic ride that everyone will love. I know everyone wants record-breakers, but coasters with many inversions tend to be quite repetitive for me. I'd much rather have a ride with other elements, so that when the inversion occurs, it accentuates it. Hopefully the theming is as strong as the leaked picture above.

Hopefully the theming is as
> strong as the leaked picture above.

I totally agree. CP needs a really nicely themed ride. They have attempted to theme some of there rides, but they do fall kind of short IMO. If this coaster is going to have unique elements like it seems its going to, then it definitely needs some top of the line theming. The rock valley effect will be really sweet if that picture is close to the real design.
Together, this would make a really stronge addition to CP.

DEE

Let's try to stick to the topic please.

You're welcome to start a new thread for the sports discussion. Just start the thread with this for the subject OT: Subject Title (stands for off-topic).

Thanks!

> Hopefully the theming is as
> strong as the leaked picture above.

> I totally agree. CP needs a really nicely themed ride. They
> have attempted to theme some of there rides, but they do
> fall kind of short IMO. If this coaster is going to have
> unique elements like it seems its going to, then it
> definitely needs some top of the line theming. The rock
> valley effect will be really sweet if that picture is close
> to the real design.
> Together, this would make a really stronge addition to CP.

> DEE

Dee, thank you for setting them straight. I was getting rather annoyed. Now on to the Point's new coaster, i am growing more excited by the minute, it's my home park, but i am definitely not a fanboy.

Tim.

I'm just gonna call my shot. I think that Maverick is gonna have more than three inversions. If I'm wrong, call me a dummy tomorrow.

Check this pic out below: I messed up a little on the pic, but you can still see it. Scroll down to the fourth picture. It's one pic with two inversions. There's still alot of track to be laid.

http://www.coaster-net.com/pics/cedarpoint/project20070386_carstena

http://coaster-net.com/parkgallery.php?action=displaymore&id=6&photographerid=13#display

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I just saw a computer generated video for this new ride. It looks like a lot of fun but only three-car trains with only 12 passengers??? Thats gonna be a capacity nightmare.

^^^Yeah, like I said earlier on this thread "don't hold your breath in the que line".

> I'm just gonna call my shot. I think that Maverick is gonna
> have more than three inversions. If I'm wrong, call me a
> dummy tomorrow.

> Check this pic out below: I messed up a little on the pic,
> but you can still see it. Scroll down to the fourth
> picture. It's one pic with two inversions. There's still
> alot of track to be laid.

>
> http://www.coaster-net.com/pics/cedarpoint/project20070386_carstena
>
> http://coaster-net.com/parkgallery.php?action=displaymore&id=6&photographerid=13#display

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I was just at Cedar Point a week ago and sorry but the new ride looks like a baby ride to me - very small hills. Reminds me of a junior Mantis. I can't imagine it being a major thrill ride.

Yea, I know what your saying. I mean, I thought it would be a huge record breaker like more thrills than the millenium and dragster, but, apparently they are calming down for the records and making things more "Family Friendly". I'm so dissapointed with the new rollerocaster "Maverick".

Looks like the big joke is on me. For the statement I made earlier I designate my own damn self as the "Sanford&Son style" Big Dummy of the year. Screamscape was on point.

This issue has now moved to the following link:

http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/forums/cgi/forum1.cgi?read=173832

Its no longer a rumor, its real, I guess...LOL!

DEE

What!!! Come on guys. Just because they may not have topped Dragster, that doesn't mean it is dissapointing. I think it's ridiculus to complain that CP isn't going to make a record-breaker. There is more to coasters than that!

-Ethan-

> I was just at Cedar Point a week ago and sorry but the new
> ride looks like a baby ride to me - very small hills.
> Reminds me of a junior Mantis. I can't imagine it being a
> major thrill ride.

Baby ride? 95 degree drop and taking small bunny hops at 70mph???? You guys need to learn that big is not always better. Come and ride Nemesis in the UK.

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Why? This thread was first. I don't know why they started a new one on the same subject.

> Why? This thread was first. I don't know why they started a
> new one on the same subject.

Because there is a difference between what is "rumored" and what is "official"!
I started that thread because, well, all new announcements usually get one. And why keep discussion of official topics mixed in with stupid record-breaking rumors?

I also heard the rumor
and it is true if you visit their
website you should look for the
Mavrick and it sounds fun.