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Ice
Posted: 6/14/00 at 6:31:40 AM
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Does anybody know what happens with Six Flags Holland the next years 01? I've heard about 2 coasters:
Intamin Reverse Freefall and some kiond of B&M design.

Regards,
Ice

Re: SFH by Dragon Khan at 6/16/00 12:38:11 PM

> Does anybody know what happens with Six Flags
> Holland the next years 01? I've heard about 2
> coasters:
> Intamin Reverse Freefall and some kiond of B&M
> design.

> Regards,
> Ice

I would love that, but remember there has already been a rumor about an intamin reverse freefall in the past... and it came to nothing. I would like a sit down or floorless too, but those rides are expensive ! I can't imagine a combo of IRF and B&M the same year. I can't imagine it at all by the way ! too great !
However I'm really interested in the developments of Six Flags in Europe. Where did you hear this rumor ?
Of only you could be right ! See you there when those coasters open ;-)

Re: SFH by Ice at 6/16/00 2:15:54 PM

> I would love that, but remember there has already
> been a rumor about an intamin reverse freefall in
> the past... and it came to nothing. I would like
> a sit down or floorless too, but those rides are
> expensive ! I can't imagine a combo of IRF and
> B&M the same year. I can't imagine it at all by
> the way ! too great !
> However I'm really interested in the developments
> of Six Flags in Europe. Where did you hear this
> rumor ?
> Of only you could be right ! See you there when
> those coasters open ;-)

Well, I heard it on a dutch message board. I believe it's true about 2 new coasters ( they claim they got the rights for it last week ), and I know they have a height limit of 120 m ( the height of a reverse freefall ), and they did want to have it this year, but Vekoma wanted to hold the Monopoly in the Netherlands, so the have sold the Superman from them very cheap. There is also a rumor for a reverse freefall in WB Movie World, Germany, so, that's what I know.

Regards,
Ice

Re: SFH by Jakob at 6/16/00 3:51:02 PM

> Well, I heard it on a dutch message board. I
> believe it's true about 2 new coasters ( they
> claim they got the rights for it last week ), and
> I know they have a height limit of 120 m ( the
> height of a reverse freefall ), and they did want
> to have it this year, but Vekoma wanted to hold
> the Monopoly in the Netherlands, so the have sold
> the Superman from them very cheap. There is also
> a rumor for a reverse freefall in WB Movie World,
> Germany, so, that's what I know.

I don't believe in a reverse free fall for Warner Br. Movie World. I think, it wouldn't fit in the park. But I think SFH will either get one, because this thing is so expensive as no other coaster. I would like to see a Linear Gale like Superman at SFO. This coaster looks quite funny.
In general, I doubt that there will any big investment next year at SFH. Perhaps they will push money into the structure of the park, but not in rides. Don't get me wrong, I would be the happiest guy at Europe:-) (I hope, apart from you).
Greetings
Jakob

Re: SFH by Ice at 6/17/00 7:04:39 AM

> I don't believe in a reverse free fall for Warner
> Br. Movie World. I think, it wouldn't fit in the
> park. But I think SFH will either get one,
> because this thing is so expensive as no other
> coaster. I would like to see a Linear Gale like
> Superman at SFO. This coaster looks quite funny.
> In general, I doubt that there will any big
> investment next year at SFH. Perhaps they will
> push money into the structure of the park, but
> not in rides. Don't get me wrong, I would be the
> happiest guy at Europe:-) (I hope, apart from
> you).
> Greetings
> Jakob

Why do you think they won't invest in SFH in 2001? They have had more visitors of any year this year and the peak season hasn't even started!!!! It would make sense that this succesfull formula of many coasters, would be repaeted, since the public like it!

Regards,
ICE

Re: Why I don't think it'll happen... read . by Dragon Khan at 6/17/00 4:24:48 PM

> Why do you think they won't invest in SFH in
> 2001? They have had more visitors of any year
> this year and the peak season hasn't even
> started!!!! It would make sense that this
> succesfull formula of many coasters, would be
> repaeted, since the public like it!

> Regards,
> ICE

Unfortunately, everyone doesn't think like you and me, or any reader of this board ! The real problem with Six Flags in Europe is that they're really attached to Vekoma: look at the coasters of the group in Europe :
4 boomerangs,
1 corkscrew
1 corkscrew loop
2 SLC's
1 LIM
1 Vekoma woodie
1 vekoma minetrain

of course there are other coasters from other manufacturers but not many ! Also look at flat rides, big wheels, rapid rides... Vekoma is more than well represented. I also think it's high time to get B&M's or Intamin's, but I don't think we'll see that soon... moreover, Vekoma's new showroom (SFH) has got place for Hammerhead Stall and Stealth Coasters. Don't forget they go on designing new rides, and unless they go bankruptcy, you won't see other company's coasters for a while... at least that's what I think... but I have to admit I don't believe in rumours a lot... rather pessimistic about any record breaking rides

Re: Why I don't think it'll happen... read . by Graeme Graeme Profile at 6/17/00 4:38:18 PM

"Vekoma's new showroom". Good joke!

Yes, SFH needs B&Ms, but if they insist on using Vekoma, the coasters should at least be custom designed. Who wants a Boomerang?

Graeme.

> Unfortunately, everyone doesn't think like you
> and me, or any reader of this board ! The real
> problem with Six Flags in Europe is that they're
> really attached to Vekoma: look at the coasters
> of the group in Europe :
> 4 boomerangs,
> 1 corkscrew
> 1 corkscrew loop
> 2 SLC's
> 1 LIM
> 1 Vekoma woodie
> 1 vekoma minetrain

> of course there are other coasters from other
> manufacturers but not many ! Also look at flat
> rides, big wheels, rapid rides... Vekoma is more
> than well represented. I also think it's high
> time to get B&M's or Intamin's, but I don't think
> we'll see that soon... moreover, Vekoma's new
> showroom (SFH) has got place for Hammerhead Stall
> and Stealth Coasters. Don't forget they go on
> designing new rides, and unless they go
> bankruptcy, you won't see other company's
> coasters for a while... at least that's what I
> think... but I have to admit I don't believe in
> rumours a lot... rather pessimistic about any
> record breaking rides

Re: SFH by Jakob at 6/18/00 5:32:26 AM

> Why do you think they won't invest in SFH in
> 2001? They have had more visitors of any year
> this year and the peak season hasn't even
> started!!!! It would make sense that this
> succesfull formula of many coasters, would be
> repaeted, since the public like it!

I think, Premier will turn another european park into a Six flags, and that they have to concentrate with their investment on this park. The paid 50 millions Euro for SFH and you have to make this money again. I doubt that Premier has still a lot of money to spent.
Greetings
Jakob

Re: SFH by Ice at 6/18/00 5:58:29 AM

> I think, Premier will turn another european park
> into a Six flags, and that they have to
> concentrate with their investment on this park.
> The paid 50 millions Euro for SFH and you have to
> make this money again. I doubt that Premier has
> still a lot of money to spent.
> Greetings
> Jakob

But look what happens to SFA: It has cost much money last year for al the new rides, and tihs year they have another BIG coaster ( Superman: ROS ).

Regards,
Ice

Re: Why I don't think it'll happen... read . by tricktrack tricktrack Profile at 6/19/00 6:12:24 AM

> "Vekoma's new showroom". Good joke!

> Yes, SFH needs B&Ms, but if they insist on using
> Vekoma, the coasters should at least be custom
> designed. Who wants a Boomerang?

> Graeme.

We all hope for B&M Coasters, but dont forget, that only fans know what B&M is. Your frequent park visitor might think its a clothing brand. And like somebody mentioned before:They ARE expensive.
Regarding the reverse freefall for WBMW: As I know from a friend of mine who is translating all communication for WB for the german officials, there wont be a new thrillride for the next two years at least. The next improvement will be some sort of family attraction, which might replace the boring and less frequented Gremlins ride.
By the way the park is not too happy with the WWWcoaster, as they had problems with the trains, and public attendence isnt as high as expected. People are afraid of the ride (oh no)

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Graeme Graeme Profile at 6/19/00 4:01:00 PM

Of course that's correct, the general public don't know about B&M.

Anyway, I love Vekoma, I just meant that I'm more interested in custom designs like Fantasy Island's Millennium Coaster (nice coaster for England by the way, but don't bother coming here for it).

I've been on Boomerangs so many times and whilst I used to like them, unfortunately I'm not impressed anymore.

Graeme.

> We all hope for B&M Coasters, but dont forget,
> that only fans know what B&M is. Your frequent
> park visitor might think its a clothing brand.
> And like somebody mentioned before:They ARE
> expensive.

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Cal at 6/20/00 5:34:23 AM

> Of course that's correct, the general public
> don't know about B&M.

> Anyway, I love Vekoma, I just meant that I'm more
> interested in custom designs like Fantasy
> Island's Millennium Coaster (nice coaster for
> England by the way, but don't bother coming here
> for it).

> I've been on Boomerangs so many times and whilst
> I used to like them, unfortunately I'm not
> impressed anymore.

> Graeme.

Boomerangs are pretty good, fun rides but unfortunately they are so common that people get bored with seeing them.
I would like to see an Invertigo over here. These are brilliant fun!

Cal

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by tricktrack tricktrack Profile at 6/20/00 1:55:59 PM

> Boomerangs are pretty good, fun rides but
> unfortunately they are so common that people get
> bored with seeing them.
> I would like to see an Invertigo over here. These
> are brilliant fun!

> Cal

Hi Cal,
where are you from?
The first Boomerang in Germany is the newest attraction for a crappy little funpark in Southgermany.
So people who are not coasterbuffs, and people who dont travel frequently to various themeparks, might think its a big deal (snif). Thats why im disappointed that Sixflags Holland have a Boomerang instead of an Invertigo. But that shows you that the park managers over here do not really care for the wishes of the hardcore fans, like us. They just think that we (the european park goers) dont know anything else, so they keep us on this diet. Except maybe for the UK where things changed a little bit, but everybody over there complains that the rides are too short (which is absolutely true). The other trend seems to be big holiday destinations such as italy and spain, where they think that massive investments like B&M will pay off. I was in port aventura in the summer of 98 and it wasnt crowded at all. Lets hope that the boom will come to the center of europe as well, and that its not just a short lived fad. Ive read newspaper articles from florida, complaining about the decreasing number of vivitors to the themeparks. IOA doesnt draw the crowds as excpected and the park is already sold to 50% to some new york company which isnt related to the amusement industry at all. The article was about the rollercoaster war in florida, and the opening of Kraken. One reason might be of course a too large number of theme parks in the area, the other theory was very sweet. The author complained about the grown up kids of the baby boomer generation (US!!!)who are parents themselves now. He said that these people dont spend their holidays on loopingcoasters. They tend to go to museums and stuff instead. What can one say? Will american theme parks be deserted in 10 years?? And will we get the B&Ms secondhand?!

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Ice at 6/20/00 2:06:30 PM

> Hi Cal,
> where are you from?
> The first Boomerang in Germany is the newest
> attraction for a crappy little funpark in
> Southgermany.
> So people who are not coasterbuffs, and people
> who dont travel frequently to various themeparks,
> might think its a big deal (snif). Thats why im
> disappointed that Sixflags Holland have a
> Boomerang instead of an Invertigo. But that shows
> you that the park managers over here do not
> really care for the wishes of the hardcore fans,
> like us. They just think that we (the european
> park goers) dont know anything else, so they keep
> us on this diet. Except maybe for the UK where
> things changed a little bit, but everybody over
> there complains that the rides are too short
> (which is absolutely true). The other trend seems
> to be big holiday destinations such as italy and
> spain, where they think that massive investments
> like B&M will pay off. I was in port aventura in
> the summer of 98 and it wasnt crowded at all.
> Lets hope that the boom will come to the center
> of europe as well, and that its not just a short
> lived fad. Ive read newspaper articles from
> florida, complaining about the decreasing number
> of vivitors to the themeparks. IOA doesnt draw
> the crowds as excpected and the park is already
> sold to 50% to some new york company which isnt
> related to the amusement industry at all. The
> article was about the rollercoaster war in
> florida, and the opening of Kraken. One reason
> might be of course a too large number of theme
> parks in the area, the other theory was very
> sweet. The author complained about the grown up
> kids of the baby boomer generation (US!!!)who are
> parents themselves now. He said that these people
> dont spend their holidays on loopingcoasters.
> They tend to go to museums and stuff instead.
> What can one say? Will american theme parks be
> deserted in 10 years?? And will we get the B&Ms
> secondhand?!

Well said!!!! Now, if only we could get SFH or something know how important B&M coasters are!

Greetings,
Tonny

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Graeme Graeme Profile at 6/20/00 2:10:12 PM

>Except maybe for the UK where things changed a little bit, but everybody over there complains that the rides are too short (which is absolutely true).

Hmm, I don't agree that our coasters are too short (apart from Oblivion). The other one people say is too short is Nemesis, but I disagree. Nemesis' pacing is its trump card (as well as/partly because of terrain).

>And will we get the B&Ms secondhand?!

Never thought of that but I hope so. Not the terrain ones obviously, but if they can move Thriller to the USA...

I want Dueling Dragons first!

Graeme.

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by tricktrack tricktrack Profile at 6/20/00 2:45:34 PM

> Hmm, I don't agree that our coasters are too
> short (apart from Oblivion). The other one people
> say is too short is Nemesis, but I disagree.
> Nemesis' pacing is its trump card (as well
> as/partly because of terrain).

> > Graeme.

Be honest, man. In the end ANY coaster is too short:)

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Graeme Graeme Profile at 6/20/00 4:44:13 PM

Yes, I'd like an exciting ten minute ride.

Graeme.

> Be honest, man. In the end ANY coaster is too
> short:)

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Lyndon at 6/20/00 8:24:05 PM

> Hmm, I don't agree that our coasters are too
> short (apart from Oblivion). The other one people
> say is too short is Nemesis, but I disagree.
> Nemesis' pacing is its trump card (as well
> as/partly because of terrain).

> Never thought of that but I hope so. Not the
> terrain ones obviously, but if they can move
> Thriller to the USA...

> I want Dueling Dragons first!

> Graeme.

Thriller was designed as a travelling coaster anyway, so moving it probably wasn't a problem (apart from the distance!) B&M's are designed as permanent installations & as yet, no one's tried to move one. It would be interesting to see if it has an adverse effect.

Re: Public Knowledge of B&M by Ice at 6/21/00 2:08:59 PM

> Hmm, I don't agree that our coasters are too
> short (apart from Oblivion). The other one people
> say is too short is Nemesis, but I disagree.
> Nemesis' pacing is its trump card (as well
> as/partly because of terrain).

> Never thought of that but I hope so. Not the
> terrain ones obviously, but if they can move
> Thriller to the USA...

> I want Dueling Dragons first!

Yeah, me too!!! I'd do almost anything to ride this monsters!!

Reagrds,
Ice