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CLONING COASTERS IS A BUSINESS PRACTICE

Ernest Forsyth

Posted:
4/4/00 at
7:07:10 PM

OK, BEFORE YOU START DESIGNING YOUR FLAME MAIL AND ANGRY RESPONSES HEAR ME OUT!!

While I HATE cloning (As posted earlier I am planning a trip in which I might run into a Medusa clone in Six Flags Ohio called Batman, The Knight Flight). I put some thought into the whole question on "WHY" would a park clone their rides, well, simple enough it has all to do with money and logistics. You see, us as coaster fanatics travel far and wide to go on unique rides and notch our belts with a slew of new experiences each year. We are the minority and when these parks have 20 - 30 million to spend on a coaster, a good portion of that money goes into R&D (known as research and development). If you owned 13 parks and just paid someone 22 Million to design and deploy ONE ride, you would logically ask how much would it cost to copy the blue-prints, cast-out another coaster, and set it up in another park under another name? It would probably cost 3/4 the cost to build it, if not half that and you would have two star attractions opening in two different areas to attract that many more people to YOUR parks! Logistically, the average family is NOT going to travel all over to almost every park, they are going to stick to their tri-state area, that is how they think. Now imagine if every car on the road was a unique design.....or every house...or every building....it would never happen, not in the age of duplication and efficiency. While these parks are fun.......IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY.

Magnificently worded! (NM) by ROXY ROLLER at 4/4/00 7:15:46 PM

> OK, BEFORE YOU START DESIGNING YOUR FLAME
> MAIL AND ANGRY RESPONSES HEAR ME OUT!!
> While I HATE cloning (As posted earlier I am
> planning a trip in which I might run into a
> Medusa clone in Six Flags Ohio called
> Batman, The Knight Flight). I put some
> thought into the whole question on
> "WHY" would a park clone their
> rides, well, simple enough it has all to do
> with money and logistics. You see, us as
> coaster fanatics travel far and wide to go
> on unique rides and notch our belts with a
> slew of new experiences each year. We are
> the minority and when these parks have 20 -
> 30 million to spend on a coaster, a good
> portion of that money goes into R&D (known
> as research and development). If you owned
> 13 parks and just paid someone 22 Million to
> design and deploy ONE ride, you would
> logically ask how much would it cost to copy
> the blue-prints, cast-out another coaster,
> and set it up in another park under another
> name? It would probably cost 3/4 the cost to
> build it, if not half that and you would
> have two star attractions opening in two
> different areas to attract that many more
> people to YOUR parks! Logistically, the
> average family is NOT going to travel all
> over to almost every park, they are going to
> stick to their tri-state area, that is how
> they think. Now imagine if every car on the
> road was a unique design.....or every
> house...or every building....it would never
> happen, not in the age of duplication and
> efficiency. While these parks are
> fun.......IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY.

I agree with you 100% by EBL at 4/4/00 7:58:42 PM

Like you, I don't like seeing the same coasters appear over and over and over and over...

That goes with the names, too, but the general idea is the same (I'll get to that later).

We as coaster enthusiasts tend to forget that the average parkgoer only visits his home parks, and maybe ones a short distance away. They don't even know that there are dozens of, say, Vekoma boomerangs all over the place. It's hard not to say, "OH NO!! NOT ANOTHER BOOMERANG!!" when the locals might be seeing one for the first time.

As Ernest said, it is about money. It's far less expensive to "re-use" plans for new rides. About ride names: it's less expensive to just use existing artwork, slogans, etc. That's why there's so many Batman--The Rides, Superman--Ride of Steels, Ninjas, Vipers, etc.

Eric

Ya, an amusement park is a business! Remember? by PCWman at 4/4/00 8:05:45 PM

> OK, BEFORE YOU START DESIGNING YOUR FLAME
> MAIL AND ANGRY RESPONSES HEAR ME OUT!!
> While I HATE cloning (As posted earlier I am
> planning a trip in which I might run into a
> Medusa clone in Six Flags Ohio called
> Batman, The Knight Flight). I put some
> thought into the whole question on
> "WHY" would a park clone their
> rides, well, simple enough it has all to do
> with money and logistics. You see, us as
> coaster fanatics travel far and wide to go
> on unique rides and notch our belts with a
> slew of new experiences each year. We are
> the minority and when these parks have 20 -
> 30 million to spend on a coaster, a good
> portion of that money goes into R&D (known
> as research and development). If you owned
> 13 parks and just paid someone 22 Million to
> design and deploy ONE ride, you would
> logically ask how much would it cost to copy
> the blue-prints, cast-out another coaster,
> and set it up in another park under another
> name? It would probably cost 3/4 the cost to
> build it, if not half that and you would
> have two star attractions opening in two
> different areas to attract that many more
> people to YOUR parks! Logistically, the
> average family is NOT going to travel all
> over to almost every park, they are going to
> stick to their tri-state area, that is how
> they think. Now imagine if every car on the
> road was a unique design.....or every
> house...or every building....it would never
> happen, not in the age of duplication and
> efficiency. While these parks are
> fun.......IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY.

Most owners just want money. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ That is all they want. They dont care if some coaster enthusiast think they are cheap or whatever. They target the general population, as you said.

Now lemme get something straight here... by Chip Wood at 4/5/00 1:56:34 PM

> OK, BEFORE YOU START DESIGNING YOUR FLAME
> MAIL AND ANGRY RESPONSES HEAR ME OUT!!
> While I HATE cloning (As posted earlier I am
> planning a trip in which I might run into a
> Medusa clone in Six Flags Ohio called
> Batman, The Knight Flight).

Is BKF a clone of Medusa? I didn't realize that to be honest. I thought they were different layouts.

When I think of a 'clone', the boomerangs come immediately to mind. I think some may actually be overusing the term 'clone' however, especially when we're talking about two coasters with different layouts. The Villain is much closer to being a 'clone' of GR if you ask me than BKF is to Medusa. Separated by the wood and steel supports- but still very similar in layout.

If you could have two rides similar to Medusa and GR at your home park- would you do it? Moreover, would you call them clones even if there are fundamental differences between them all?

Just wondering...

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