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Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ

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1/8/13 at
11:57:44 PM

I knew people would climb it if it was left there - just didn't think anyone would be crazy enough to do it in the winter (Although the weather was gorgeous today). Figured if they got it out by mid-spring it would be fine. Guess I was wrong. I wonder if they left the flag. It actually looks pretty cool.

http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2013/01/man_climbs_seaside_roller_coaster_unfurls_american_flag.html

Jen

Man climbs Seaside Heights roller coaster, unfurls American flag

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 1/9/13 1:04:16 AM
Count me as one who'd climb it as well. I would do it now if I was there. However, I wouldn't jump off of it because I'd be fearful for what lies just below the surface. We had a guy jump off one of the downtown bridges here in Austin last May and this foot was impaled on some rebar that was vertical underwater. His screams apparently could be heard from my friend's apartment building. He survived.
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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by alpengeistno3 at 1/9/13 2:00:12 AM
Like you, Jen, I'm not surprised at all. I, too didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to do it in the middle of January. And to think the mayor even entertained the thought of leaving it out there...uh, yeah. That would have been a BRILLIANT idea!

Paul

Anyone want to bet it will be gone by the end of the month now?

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 1/9/13 3:34:30 AM
What a lousy country we've become. We arrest people and throw them in jail for climbing up storm ruins. That's ridiculous.

This country has really gone to s**t!

Activities that solely put yourself in danger should not be illegal. This guy endangered no one but himself! We need to get back to a state where we stop arresting people for nonsense.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by CoasterFanatic CoasterFanatic Profile at 1/9/13 8:58:16 AM
Eric_Gieszl said:

What a lousy country we've become. We arrest people and throw them in jail for climbing up storm ruins. That's ridiculous.


This country has really gone to s**t!

Activities that solely put yourself in danger should not be illegal. This guy endangered no one but himself! We need to get back to a state where we stop arresting people for nonsense.

The only thing I wonder is if he needed rescuing. Then maybe charge him for cost of the recovery.

Other than that, I completely agree. Total B.S. Nothing could say, "Lets get going" like hoisting the American Flag!

Charles Nungester 323 coasters and holding for two years now LOL Last coaster ride. HWN 2011
Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 1/9/13 10:23:10 AM
I'm glad to be back on URC from my one month long internet void hospital hiatus, I'm feeling alot better now.

He said the he did it for the Marines. I agree with yall, this arrest is much ado about nothing, but this is the arrest-happy trivial world that we live in. Then they are talking about removing the flag, oh I guess that it's really a nautical hazard...SMH

www.news4jax.com/news/Man-climbs-submerged-roller-coaster-to-plant-flag/-/475880/18059048/-/i7r8kn/-/index.html

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by drachen drachen Profile at 1/9/13 10:48:33 AM
Even though the coaster is in the ocean, it is trespassing on Seaside's property (the coaster itself). So I don't have a problem if he is fined - a slap on the wrist if you will.

Arrested? No. But Seaside should discourage others from doing the same thing.

Having said all that, I like that he did it, and it makes for a cool image. The flag should stay.

I hope to make it down to Seaside next week. I feel like I gotta' see this thing in the ocean before they remove it - which will likely now be sooner than later. Hopefully, I can grab some pizza too.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 1/9/13 11:00:44 AM
drachen said:

Even though the coaster is in the ocean, it is trespassing on Seaside's property (the coaster itself). So I don't have a problem if he is fined - a slap on the wrist if you will.


Arrested? No. But Seaside should discourage others from doing the same thing.

Having said all that, I like that he did it, and it makes for a cool image. The flag should stay.

I hope to make it down to Seaside next week. I feel like I gotta' see this thing in the ocean before they remove it - which will likely now be sooner than later. Hopefully, I can grab some pizza too.

I may go down soon, too, but I'll skip pizza..Give me a sandwich from Steaks Unlimited. Too bad Kohrs won't be open :(

Glad you're okay, Chris!

Mike

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 1/9/13 11:16:23 AM
^^^Thanks Mike!
Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 1/9/13 5:17:47 PM
CoasterFanatic said:

The only thing I wonder is if he needed rescuing. Then maybe charge him for cost of the recovery.

Charge him maybe, but in general I also don't think we should rescue people who by choice put themselves in danger or jeopardy. If we had that attitude more people would think about the consequences before acting.

I'm all for freedom, but I'm also for personal responsibility and thus accepting and assuming the risks and consequences. If you climb the coaster in the ocean then you either figure out how to get down on your own or you die there. It's simple.

Finally, I question if this coaster remains the property of Casino Pier. Seems to me it's sitting in the ocean and that makes it public property.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 1/9/13 6:13:27 PM
Looks like he's just getting a disorderly persons charge.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/Disorderly_persons_charge_for_NJ_coaster_climber.html

The problem I have with people climbing out there is then they get hurt and will sue Casino Pier, the borough or anyone a lawyer can find fault with. I agree with Eric about personal responsibility but in this day and age it's all about suing everyone. Seems personal responsibility takes a back seat lately.

Jen

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 1/9/13 6:16:30 PM
The coaster is the property of the pier owner, unless it was leased? So I think it's stretching it saying it is public property, imo.

That said, I agree on some points that the guy endangered only himself and he should find his way down by himself. But if he had slipped and injured himself, what's to stop some lawyer from coming in to sue on his behalf because he was 'tempted' to climb it?

I have to side with Jen and Paul about it being a stupid idea to climb on that wreck and it should be about discouraging copycats. So it isn't just about the guy putting himself in danger, it's also about how these days anyone can mine an injury for money even if they did the harm to themselves.

edit: Jen beat me to the punch on the lawyer issue. Lol. You psychic!

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by drachen drachen Profile at 1/9/13 7:07:33 PM
We live in a society where the parents of a girl in ANOTHER ROOM in Newtown, are suing the state of Connecticut for $100 MILLION, because she heard gunshots and yelling over the PA system.

People can and will sue for anything. I don't know who "owns" the Star Jet at this point. But whoever does will likeky be the one fishing it out soon. That party would likely be held liable if someone were to access the ride and hurt themselves.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by alpengeistno3 at 1/9/13 10:56:46 PM
I'm not sure the status of the shores during the Winter season, but I am sure the area around Seaside is still considered a disaster area, and are, thus, "off limits" to all but authorized personnel. Even if the beaches were open, you can bet there are a million signs around Seaside saying "keep out".

Do you all also feel that people should be free to enter ride restricted areas to retrieve lost articles since they "should be allowed to enter at their own risk?" (pardon me for paraphrasing.) There isn't a park out there that welcomes random guests to come climb around on their perfectly stable, bolted to the ground roller coasters. I am 100% sure Seaside does not want anyone climbing around on that fallen one out in the Atlantic either.

And yes, they should have removed the flag. What do the Marines have to do with that coaster, anyway? If Seaside wishes to honor the military somehow with their fallen coaster, they will get someone to do it. It was not this guy's right to take it upon himself to do so and he should have been arrested not only for trespassing, but being a buffoon. (even if the later is not really a crime on the Jersey Shore as the MTV show has proven.)

Paul

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 1/9/13 11:38:28 PM
Paul your comparison doesn't work. Climbing under an operating ride (aka restricted area) endangers the lives of others. This guy put no one other than himself at risk.

I'm certain he didn't call anyone to rescue him either. The police should've left him alone. He didn't make them rescue him they chose to put themselves in harms way. That's their problem.

My point was clear that activities should not be criminal when you endanger no one other than yourself.

He isn't trespassing either in my opinion. That coaster is a storm wreck that is sunk in the ocean. It's no longer a part of that park and it's worthless.

And don't think you should have any rights to file a lawsuit if you injure yourself doing risky things either.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by alpengeistno3 at 1/10/13 1:53:25 AM
"Restricted areas" are not just off limits when the ride is in operation. They are restricted to authorized personnel, ie, persons working for the park who are given permission to be there. As a ride op, we could walk the road under Drachen Fire's drop, but we were never allowed to enter the areas fenced in (the cutback, the block brake, the 1st drop area, etc). Those areas were off limits to us, even when the ride was down. Could I have ripped the keys off the shelf and hung out on the block brake until the ride opened? Sure, but there would be disciplinary action. As an employee, I would have probably been fired. As a park guest, you can bet you would be escorted out.

Try breaking into an amusement park now and climbing a coaster lift hill and see if you don't get escorted out in handcuffs! Said gentleman was not authorized to be in that area, thus he was trespassing. Like it or not, that coaster is still Seaside's property and they still have the authority and support of the law to prosecute anyone who attempts to tamper with it (which, good intentioned or not, is what that guy did as soon as he put that flag on it.)

Paul

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 1/10/13 4:25:40 AM
Fair enough Paul, the law is the law. I'll tell you one thing, I sure as hell would have not done that.

I guess that it's easy for many people to get sympathetic for someone displaying the Old Glory and all. He probably just got a night in the clink, if that.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Coaster316 at 1/10/13 8:47:14 AM
I can see both sides to this discussion.

On one hand, I think a disorderly conduct charge seems fair. I have a feeling he suspected something like that anyway.

On the other hand, he wasn't charged with trespassing. I don't know if that's a statement on the ownership of the property or if its more like, "Eh, this ain't no big thing."

Jeff

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 1/10/13 1:37:16 PM
Listen Paul there is one more error in your comparison. You're talking about "private property".

I'm all for property owner rights. If you want to declare a piece of your property off-limits to all (i.e. ride restricted Area) then so be it and if the consequences are disciplinary action that's the choice of the property owner.

However, I don't view the ocean as private property and that wreck is sitting in the middle of what I would consider public property.

Do you know it's illegal to jump off a bridge into water in many cities? If you're not endangering anyone other than yourself then why is it illegal?

We live in such a nanny state now. It's disgusting. People need to mind their own business and stop trying to tell others how to live their lives.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 1/10/13 3:59:08 PM
Eric_Gieszl said:

Listen Paul there is one more error in your comparison. You're talking about "private property".


I'm all for property owner rights. If you want to declare a piece of your property off-limits to all (i.e. ride restricted Area) then so be it and if the consequences are disciplinary action that's the choice of the property owner.

However, I don't view the ocean as private property and that wreck is sitting in the middle of what I would consider public property.

Do you know it's illegal to jump off a bridge into water in many cities? If you're not endangering anyone other than yourself then why is it illegal?

We live in such a nanny state now. It's disgusting. People need to mind their own business and stop trying to tell others how to live their lives.

Eric - I think most of us would agree with your point about personal responsibility but it's not how the world is unfortunately. If anyone got hurt climbing on the coaster it would be viewed as a public hazard and the owners of Casino Pier and the Borough of Seaside would be held liable for not removing it in a prompt manner. I can pretty much guarantee that if a lawsuit was brought against them the plaintiff would win. Is it right? No. But it is what it is. I too am sick of the "save us from ourselves" laws but until juries stop handing out ridiculous payments in favor of the litigants or judges start refusing to hear such cases it will continue.

Jen

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by skc2000 at 1/10/13 5:54:28 PM
As far as weather the guy had the right to climb the coaster there are a couple of other things to look at also.Let,s say i take something that belongs to me & this item that belongs to me i take it & i throw it out in the garbage anybody has the right to take this item & keep it for himself.But let,s say by some chance an item that belongs to me gets swept out onto public property & i want it back but i am having trouble getting it back into my house & everybody that walks by this item that belongs to me knows that it got swept onto public property against my will then i do have the right to prosecute anybody that touches that item that belongs to me.

Now if casino pier paid somebody to move the coaster into the ocean then the coaster is public property & anybody can do whatever they want with it.But this coaster got swept into the ocean against the will of the owner of casino pier & the owner wants it back but he is having trouble getting it back onto his property.So it,s still considered a crime to climb that coaster.

As far as the fact that he was endangering nobodie,s else,s life except his own this is how i look at it.If somebody is planning to commit suicide then you have to do whatever you have to do to stop him from commiting suicide.But when he climbed the coaster he did not have suicidal thoughts on his mind as he was climbing the coaster but he is still doing something that,s pretty dangerous.

Now as far as what eric said about it being illegal to jump off a bridge the reason it,s illegal is because jumping off a bridge is considered suicidal & that,s the reason why it,s against the law to do that but climbing a coaster is not considered suicidal but since the coaster got swept into the ocean against the will of the owner of casino pier it,s still considered a crime to climb that coaster.(The owner of Casino Pier did not arrange it for the coaster to be moved into the ocean).If something that belongs to you goes flying out onto public property against your will & you want it back but you are having trouble getting in back onto your property then it,s still considered a crime for somebody to touch that item that belongs to you.

skc2000

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by alpengeistno3 at 1/10/13 8:27:16 PM
Eric_Gieszl said:

Listen Paul there is one more error in your comparison. You're talking about "private property".

Correct, we are talking about "private property"...the coaster!

Eric_Gieszl said:

However, I don't view the ocean as private property and that wreck is sitting in the middle of what I would consider public property.

You are partly correct; the ocean is public property, for the most part. But as soon as that guy got out of his boat, he was no longer on public property. The coaster may be a wreck, but it is still the property of Seaside and they don't want anyone climbing on it.

Eric_Gieszl said:

Do you know it's illegal to jump off a bridge into water in many cities? If you're not endangering anyone other than yourself then why is it illegal?

Because the bridge is owned by the government and as the owners, they do not want anyone jumping from it. Say what you will about "rights", but the "right to be an idiot" is not guaranteed anywhere in the Constitution.

Getting back to the ocean, if you take a boat near a Naval Base, there is point where your good-natured outing becomes a "turn around now or be destroyed" melee. Can you say that a person has the right to go wherever they want because the ocean is public?

Eric_Gieszl said:

We live in such a nanny state now. It's disgusting. People need to mind their own business and stop trying to tell others how to live their lives.

Ironic you should say that because that is why that guy was a moron for climbing up on that roller coaster. If he was minding HIS business and not trying to make some political statement with putting a flag on it, he would have looked at it from the beach like everyone else.

Paul

Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 1/10/13 8:44:00 PM
You and I disagree on whose property that is. The coaster is not private property. You cannot just put your object in a public place, leave it there and expect that it remains private property.

That coaster is disposed of junk. It wasn't disposed of by the owner, but instead by mother nature.

We have bigger issues to deal with than to arrest people who climb a defunct coaster in the ocean. 50 years ago no police would've shown up. No one would've been arrested. And people would have grouped him in either of two categories - crazy and dumb -or- a risk taker.

Clearly, people have lost sight of the bigger picture and just want a nanny state.

What I was hoping you would try to explain is how his actions could've endangered the lives of others and therefore it should be illegal.

Too many have forgotten the basis and purpose of why laws are created and they've forgotten the basis for which this country was founded - freedom. Our founders escaped countries that are ruling exactly how we are now. Everyone else is involved in the business of others.

I respect laws when they protect the innocent from harm, but I f**king hate laws that just nag us around.

It's a waste of our public resources to go after individuals like this. They pose no harm to anyone, but themselves. Clearly, Seaside Heights has too many individuals on their payroll if they have time to deal with situations like this.

Let me guess you're probably one of the few who likes Mayor Bloomberg telling you what you can or cannot drink and in what size container you can buy it.

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Re: Man Climbs Roller Coaster in the ocean at Seaside Heights NJ by alpengeistno3 at 1/10/13 9:24:00 PM
Eric_Gieszl said:

You and I disagree on whose property that is. The coaster is not private property. You cannot just put your object in a public place, leave it there and expect that it remains private property.

I agree that we disagree :)

Eric_Gieszl said:

That coaster is disposed of junk. It wasn't disposed of by the owner, but instead by mother nature.

But it is not on a junk heap at the dump. It is still in the area of what is/used to be Casino Pier. Therefore, unlike that refrigerator you sat out on the curb for the garbage man to take away, it is still in their possession.

Eric_Gieszl said:

We have bigger issues to deal with than to arrest people who climb a defunct coaster in the ocean. 50 years ago no police would've shown up. No one would've been arrested. And people would have grouped him in either of two categories - crazy and dumb -or- a risk taker.

Yes, there are bigger issues. If someone is going 20 miles over the speed limit and someone is going 40 miles over the speed limit, does that absolve the "slower" driver from getting ticket because the guy going 40 miles over is clearly a bigger menace? I think not.



Eric_Gieszl said:

What I was hoping you would try to explain is how his actions could've endangered the lives of others and therefore it should be illegal.

His actions were a danger to no one, since he went there alone. I suppose if he had a companion, there is no telling what state of stability that coaster is in or how far he would have went to disturb it if left unchecked. The plain and simple truth has been stated numerous times; Seaside did not want him there and the law agrees that he should not have been. It is still a disaster area, no different than deciding you want to rummage through all the damaged buildings and houses in the area.

Eric_Gieszl said:

Too many have forgotten the basis and purpose of why laws are created and they've forgotten the basis for which this country was founded - freedom. Our founders escaped countries that are ruling exactly how we are now. Everyone else is involved in the business of others.

I respect laws when they protect the innocent from harm, but I f**king hate laws that just nag us around.

So, are you saying that they should open it as an adult jungle gym? This guy places an American Flag, next guy decides to swing on the decaying bents, next one decides to ride around the rails on a shopping cart and so on. At what point does ones freedom become stupid and a menace to society? If they did not stop this guy, there would be more. There will be more if it is still out there in the water when the weather heats up.

Eric_Gieszl said:

It's a waste of our public resources to go after individuals like this. They pose no harm to anyone, but themselves. Clearly, Seaside Heights has too many individuals on their payroll if they have time to deal with situations like this.

As Jen stated, the sad fact is that if someone hurts themselves on that ride, Seaside will inevitably be sued. Right or wrong, the park does not want to be put in that position and until they can remove the ride, they are responsible for keeping any further knuckleheads off it.

Eric_Gieszl said:

Let me guess you're probably one of the few who likes Mayor Bloomberg telling you what you can or cannot drink and in what size container you can buy it.

Well, you guessed wrong. As a teacher, it sickens me how they are telling the kids what to eat because of all those obesity studies and Michelle Obama's quest to "clean up" school lunches. I know some of those kids go home starving since I wouldn't eat the majority of what is put before them (I never was a huge proponent of school lunches before the 1st Lady's involvement, but that is another point.) Oh yeah, don't even think of bringing peanut butter and jelly to school!

Paul