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KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2

alpengeistno3

Posted:
4/8/12 at
10:34:41 PM

Here is the 2nd day of my KD TR. If you read the last one, you saw that I missed a lot of rides due to it being extremely crowded Friday. No way Saturday would be better, right? Actually, things started out pretty good. I got to the park at 10:15 and waited at the Dominator rope drop for the 10:30 opening. Well, being physically closer to the Congo area, it sounded like a good idea, but the people "walking" from the Eiffel Tower got there before us (don't think security was a insistent on the "don't walk past us part" as people were running their butts off from the other direction.) By the time I got to Volcano, the line was already going up the 2nd part of the ramp inside the ride area.

So, this is normally a non issue of a wait, but...you guessed it, fast pass (or I should say fast lane since I have my map right here.) Even winning the running of the bulls is now useless as people will just walk right up and get on in front of you with their wrist bands. The park seems to have changed their loading process. They are letting 6 fast lane users enter for every other train. Maybe they did the same thing yesterday and I couldn't tell because I actually lucked out and got the 1st row when I first entered the boarding area (no one was willing to wait for the front because every other train, a fast lane person would take that seat). They would allow the fast lane people to enter from the exit area and choose the row they wanted, then open the gates for everyone else to fill in. Of course, someone would always go for the front row, so if you are a "gotta ride the front seat type", be prepared to wait twice as long for the 1st, 2nd and most likely the 3rd row. (those went every time!) I opted for row 4 (the two back rows were still roped off, presumably to make sure the trains were properly weighted to avoid roll backs.)

My little Volcano wait cost me 30 minutes thanks to fast lane bringing the queue to a halt. I went to try to get to FOF before things got nasty there, but the ride was still closed (I didn't stick around to get the ops manufactured reason why). Instead, I went down to Intimidator and walked right on behind a couple of my enthusiast friends. This time I rode near the front (row 4). The airtime was delivering. I could barely even feel the 3rd hill trims.

Another group of enthusiasts showed up (ACE was supposed to have a meeting at Grizzly at 11:30), so I took another ride with them in the back before heading off to the "Wave". On the way out, I noticed FOF had opened, so I decided that if I wanted to ride this today, now was the time. I told them I would meet them over there.

The line was just inside the final room before the boarding area, a 5-10 minute wait at most, right? Well, we went inside the station shortly then, bam, the ride went down. The op clearly pushed the dispatch button and the ride would not launch. He tried again, nothing. He said to the other ops everything on the control board was clear and tried one more time, nothing. So they called the ride down and the line cleared. Normally, I would walk, but I knew it was now or never on my FOF ride, so I stayed. Maintenance showed up and called the board (I assume they were in the computer room because they never came into the station area until after the ride had launched.) After 3 launches, we were allowed to board. I took train 1 in the back row.

FOF has been notorious for having seatbelts of varying lengths. This year was no exception. I tried to get in the right hand side and the seat belt was an inch too short. Since the ops never believe me when I tell them they are different lengths and try to make me take the "walk of shame", I quickly switched to left hand side and was able to buckle it myself without any assistance. Totally ridiculous there is that much difference in the same row!! The colored lights were out in the ride building. Only two sides of the building were lit so there were lots of dark areas near the very top and middle areas of the bowl. The block brake was only slowing the train, so the 2nd half was fairly speedy. (still a lot of hang on the long curve before the final figure-8.)

I decided to get another ride since with the ride just opening up again, the line should not be very long. I walked around and made it up to the stairs in the saucer section. By the way, the Halloween stuff is still up, so no need to worry about whether the inside queue is being used when you see the line sticking outside of the building. Normally, a wait from there is about 15 minutes. But enter fast pass. It took 15 minutes before the line moved again from my spot outside of the final room, and then I just barely got into the station before they cut if off again. Fast lane users were allowed to enter through the article area gate. No limit, just come in. With FOF's tiny station, if there is a lot of them, forget about the regular line moving for a long time. It also didn't help that the crew was making the Joker's Jinx crew look like they worked for Cedar Point!! We're talking over 5 minutes between launches!!! By the time I got my second ride, it was 12:45 (1 hr 15 minutes for 2 no wait rides and the downtime was only 20 minutes at the most!!) Well, at least I got my FOF ride since I haven't rode the ride since last August due to the Haunt closing it early every day in October. I enjoy FOF more than Volcano, even if Volcano is the better ride.

Needless to say, by the time I got to the Grove, I had completely missed the ACE gathering. I rode Hurler, Rebel Yell and Grizzly with relatively short waits compared to Friday (Rebel Yell had the longest wait at 2 trains.) The Windseeker line was a lot shorter. It just barely extended out of the station. The park brought in some additional queue railing to be prepared this time (guess they didn't think Friday would be so busy either.) After 3 rerides on Grizzly, I went to get lunch at Long John Silvers (KD got my food money for the year yesterday).

When I came back, it was about 4:00. Normally, this is when the front half of the park is empty for unlimited Dominator rides. Well, I think since only 10 rides are included with Fast lane and Dominator is one of the most significant ones, it is driving crowds back up to that area. Dominator had a significant line (not as bad as yesterday as there were only 2 loops of the queue pen full), but still, the ride has almost never had a line after 4:00 as long as it has been there. I skipped it again.

Back to the Congo area, it was apparent that the park's attendance had grown exponentially since I went to lunch. Intimidator had a full queue. FoF had a full outdoor queue. Anaconda had people waiting halfway down the bridge. I did not even bother looking at Volcano and Avalanche. Italian Job was open today. Looked to be running only 1 train with a full line to the entrance, so I did not even consider waiting.

I went back to the Grove for more lengthy queues. I managed to get on Rebel Yell with only a 3 train wait in the very back row before it blew up behind me to filing down the ramp. I should mention that I have avoided the very back row of Rebel Yell for years as the wheel seats used to realign your spine when it bottomed out on all the drops. Since they had done the track work last year, it was quite rideable back there now. I still prefer row 6-1 because you get a nice pop of air at the top of the drops before getting yanked down again, but the air in the back almost sucked me out of the 1st drop and the drop off the turnaround.

I went to Grizzly, which now had a full station house. I always enjoy listening to people comments on Grizzly's fan turn looking like it will fall apart. It's been shaking like that for 30 years and still has fallen down, lol!!!

After Griz, I had had enough of 30+ minute queues, so I decided to cut my losses and get my Dominator ride then get the heck out. Dominator's line went all the around the perimeter of the queue pen. Can't say I know how long that line would normally take as I have only waited in the full queue once in the ride's 5 years at KD and that was with 3 trains. Today, the 3rd train was nowhere to be seen, so it was a long wait. When I got to the station, I went to the back row. All of a sudden, a lady started yelling a profanity laced tirade at this guy about "not going back" and "go ahead and get security". Well, after drawing a lot of attention to herself, she stormed out the station back through the queue line. Apparently, the guy had confronted a line breaker who was not very happy about it and they must have went at it all the way to the station because that is where her friends were. 2 minutes later, the announcement came that Dominator would be temporarily shut down. They cleared the trains, then security came up the fast lane entrance (the emergency stairs at the back of the station) and called the guy who was the object of the lady's tirade. They talked right outside the queue and from what I could see, the guy did not return. The ops reopened the ride without cycling trains (an indicator that security called the ride down, not maintenance) and took a long time checking trains as security was walking the platform talking to the ops on the phones. Then, they popped rows 3 and 4 and escorted 6 other people off the ride (1 of whom had cut but no one said anything to.) Did I mention that I was next to board and on the train when all of this went down?

Well, after finally getting my Dominator ride, I promptly headed to the exit (ironically, I was walking out right behind 2 of the people kicked out the ride who were spewing all kinds of profanity laced comments, while each pushing a stroller with sleepy toddlers.) I assume they were on their way to turn in the park-rented stroller and vent on someone, but I didn't follow as I reached the gate and headed for my car. It was quarter to 6:00.

Overall, the crowds were lighter than Friday at the beginning of the day, but I think there were more people in the park on Saturday. Normally, I would try to wait the crowds out, but I think fast lane has had the opposite affect on crowd patterns. In the past, people would show up early and leave around 6:00. Very few people were leaving when I left today. I'm guessing, that with fast lane, people will show up in the middle of the day, get their fast lane pass and stay until close (which is currently 8:00.) It will remain to be seen if this trend continues as the park is open for later hours. It could cause me to completely revamp my strategy for attacking rides (a lot more early mornings as opposed to showing up at 4:00 and hitting Dominator when I first arrive).

I will be going back to KD with Mike in 2 weeks. Either myself or he will let you know if things have changed as the park gets some more experience in dealing with Fast lane.

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/9/12 7:57:42 AM
I think fast lane is going to change attack stategy at a lot of parks. This hobby is heading in a direction where if you want to ride the best rides and not just look at them, you need to pay extra to really enjoy it and not be miserable all day. Its a changing landscape. Preferred parking will follow, and i bet meal deal buyers will have thier own lines soon.
For me, i can afford it so its great, but i do see how fast lane will make life miserable for folks who dont want to drop the cash or cant afford to. (not saying you cant afford it alpengeisto..) I think trip planning will change to include enough funds for these extras.

* This post was modified at 4/9/12 8:31:14 AM *

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by MABrider MABrider Profile at 4/9/12 5:35:52 PM
NotSo said:

I think fast lane is going to change attack stategy at a lot of parks. This hobby is heading in a direction where if you want to ride the best rides and not just look at them, you need to pay extra to really enjoy it and not be miserable all day.

Can't argue with the fast lane and "attack strategy."
I am at a point in life* where if I have to pay to get multiple rides on coasters I will do it, especially if at a park I don't get to often or have never been to.

But one way to get around that, so to speak, is attend events that include ERT before park opening and after park closing.
Not the "be all-end all" but it sure works for me when I know I will be riding (insert coaster name here) to my hearts' content at 9 or 10 PM of a warm summer night even as the lines for that same coaster during the day are long. Or even a cool fall night.

Won't always work every year for your prefered park, etc., but it can make a visit quite nice.
Plus, there is usually food included.
Not to mention the like-minded people you meet up with.
:-)


* I am old! But still working...

Mike B.
Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 4/9/12 7:53:39 PM
So I guess even going to the park when it opens means no promises for at least 2 rides on volcano now? :( I'm also wondering if waiting for FoF would be worth it anymore?

:sigh: this might be a bad sign of things to come. All i can hope for is things gets better by August.

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/9/12 9:13:23 PM
Bottom line, these were busy days. KD's opening days haven't been this busy in the past because they have usually occurred the last week of March. The weather is cooler and the kids are usually still in school.

By opening on Good Friday, they were guaranteed that all area schools were out the same time and the weather was very reasonable (60's and even low 70's on Saturday).

I have to believe that KD will not sell so many of those fast lane passes on a slow June Tuesday or Wednesday, so all may not be lost. I did find it interesting how many people stayed late on Friday and how many flocked in later on Saturday. The usual mass exodus at 6:00 did not seem evident when I stayed Friday or left early myself Saturday. Granted, if I sunk 30-40 extra dollars on an all-you-can-ride wrist band, I would be less inclined to leave early as well. It will be interesting if the days of being able to hit all the coasters in an 4:00- close spurt are now over.

Someone brought up using fast lane myself. KD is a park I have been to hundreds of times since 1987 and the thought of plunking down an extra $50 to "enjoy" a basic day of riding everything once is stomach turning. I think one of my good friends summed it up best. "Volcano has become the new Hypersonic: XLC. It is a neat ride, but is not worth the hassle. Fast lane has made it more so. Unless I arrive at park opening for the running of the bull or decide to end my night there instead of I-305, Volcano, like XLC, will become a once a year ride. Last year, there were many times I went to KD and never bothered to go look at the line because I-305 is by far the superior ride and has a negligible wait most of the day.

I'm a pretty good study of crowd movements through a park. Despite my failure to use my past knowledge because of the introduction of a new variable, fast lane, I feel confident that I have a plan for next time that will not require my getting fleeced by fast lane.

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 4/9/12 9:23:06 PM
alpengeistno3 said:


I feel confident that I have a plan for next time that will not require my getting fleeced by fast lane.

Paul

I'm counting on that :)

Mike

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/9/12 9:28:37 PM
Cyclone_Phil said:

So I guess even going to the park when it opens means no promises for at least 2 rides on volcano now? :( I'm also wondering if waiting for FoF would be worth it anymore?


:sigh: this might be a bad sign of things to come. All i can hope for is things gets better by August.

New rule... Get Volcano and FOF done ASAP. 305 can be done whenever as long as 2 trains are on. Windseeker is bad now, but I think as the season goes on, the novelty will wear off and it will be a walk-on after 5:00 PM. Take your chances on Dominator, unless you can get your ride in between 10 and the 10:30 rope drop (but you lose a lot more if you are riding that instead of making the 10:30 run to Volcano. If this Saturday was a proper indicator, you are going to have to get back to the Eiffel tower to lead the pack.)

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 4/9/12 10:10:21 PM
Hem, I do hope they don't open by the Eiffel Tower first. Last few times I always went for at least 2 rides on Dominator and then went strait for the line around the ghoster coaster by 10:30am.
Yeah, Volcano and FOF I ride them in the morning and that's that. Lines are too crazy for just those rides to bother trying anytime after.

Then again, I can always ride Volcano and FOF on different days as I'll be there for at least 4 days compared to usually 1 or 2 in my past outings.

* This post was modified at 4/10/12 12:14:20 PM *

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/10/12 4:16:14 AM
"Someone brought up using fast lane myself. KD is a park I have been to hundreds of times since 1987 and the thought of plunking down an extra $50 to "enjoy" a basic day of riding everything once is stomach turning"

I guess i am the complete opposite of you, as i am chomping at the bit to use fast lane. I have been to Cedar Point more times than i can count over the last 31 years. I am at a point in my life where the last 20 years of slaving away at Lincoln Electric and another compnay i wont name has finally, finally pad off. I have a nice house, no house payment. I have nice cars, no car payments. I'll be damned if i buy a fast lane ticket only to get in the fast lane line to hear some second class citizen yelling at me for using the fast lane. No no no, no. I will yell back, hey jack, get a better job, or know your role and shut the hell up! I'll be in the front seat and you complainers can watch and complain, i earned it with sweat and i will enjoy it. America is lazy, not me.

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Great_Ump Great_Ump Profile at 4/10/12 8:16:47 AM
alpengeistno3 said:

New rule... Get Volcano and FOF done ASAP. 305 can be done whenever as long as 2 trains are on.

My KD rule for Opening has always been Volcano first.

You can easily get five front seat rides with minimal wait if you get there at rope drop because everybody heads for Dominator or I305 first.

I'll ride Volcano until I have to wait a couple of trains to board. I'll hit FOR to "get it out of the way" so long as the line isnt coming out of the spaceship.

Then I go all the way back to the Grizzly side and work my way back to 305/Dominator against the majority of the park traffic.

Joe
Great_Ump

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by chitlins73 chitlins73 Profile at 4/10/12 5:11:37 PM
I usually use my Platinum pass to get in early so i can get to Volcano.They usually have the rope drop at The Eifel Tower.This year I am going with friends and will not be able to get in early with my pass because i have to wait for the friends and go in at regular open time.What is the quickest way to get over to Volcano from the front of park?
Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/10/12 8:05:09 PM
chitlins73 said:

I usually use my Platinum pass to get in early so i can get to Volcano.They usually have the rope drop at The Eifel Tower.This year I am going with friends and will not be able to get in early with my pass because i have to wait for the friends and go in at regular open time.What is the quickest way to get over to Volcano from the front of park?

I'm not a regular "park opener" (I prefer to roll in as people are leaving in the afternoon and marathon I-305 and Dominator or just flash through the park.) With that being said, my experience has been that the Dominator rope drop is the shortest distance to the Congo area.

Saturday, I saw a lot of people ahead of me who had come from the Eiffel Tower rope drop. I was in front of the pack to Volcano only to find the line already going up the 2nd part of the ramp inside the mountain, so there were a lot of people who got there before me. Maybe we had slower walking security guards (they say they will kick you out if you walk past them and I was easily able to make my way from the middle of the group to right behind them while the leisurely walked through the path.) The ones from the Eiffel Tower were nowhere to be seen and the people coming from that direction looked like they were running the NY Marathon.

I'm going to stick with the Dominator one and see if I get lapped again (interesting you mentioned the Platinum passes because someone asked about that while we were waiting by Dominator and I wrote it off as only being valid when the waterpark was open (that was the original perk when they started it 3 or 4 years ago).

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/10/12 8:26:11 PM
NotSo said:

"Someone brought up using fast lane myself. KD is a park I have been to hundreds of times since 1987 and the thought of plunking down an extra $50 to "enjoy" a basic day of riding everything once is stomach turning"


I guess i am the complete opposite of you, as i am chomping at the bit to use fast lane. I have been to Cedar Point more times than i can count over the last 31 years. I am at a point in my life where the last 20 years of slaving away at Lincoln Electric and another compnay i wont name has finally, finally pad off. I have a nice house, no house payment. I have nice cars, no car payments. I'll be damned if i buy a fast lane ticket only to get in the fast lane line to hear some second class citizen yelling at me for using the fast lane. No no no, no. I will yell back, hey jack, get a better job, or know your role and shut the hell up! I'll be in the front seat and you complainers can watch and complain, i earned it with sweat and i will enjoy it. America is lazy, not me.

I don't begrudge you for choosing to use Fast Lane. Heck, the park is offering it. If you have the cash to blow on it every time you go to the park, go ahead and line "the suits" pockets with your hard earned cash.

However, if you think that your money means that you are entitled to thumb your nose at us "second class citizens" who should "get a better job", well, I hope you have some second class soda or spit rain down on you from the bridge as you wait for your group of 6 to get their chance to ride Volcano. (as slow as the loading for Volcano is, even for fast lane users, you will have plenty of time to yell back at the hecklers who have the "privilege" of higher ground. Might be to your advantage to remember that before choosing to wage a war of words, lol!!)

People who don't have the luxury to drop an extra $50 every visit to an amusement park aren't lazy. Frankly, I find Fast Lane lazy. Rather than try to beat the lines by knowing the layout of the park, people can now stroll up to a kiosk, plop down their money and walk right to the front of the line. Where is the hard work in that?

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 4/10/12 9:22:02 PM
alpengeistno3 said:

NotSo said:

I guess i am the complete opposite of you, as i am chomping at the bit to use fast lane. I have been to Cedar Point more times than i can count over the last 31 years. I am at a point in my life where the last 20 years of slaving away at Lincoln Electric and another compnay i wont name has finally, finally pad off. I have a nice house, no house payment. I have nice cars, no car payments. I'll be damned if i buy a fast lane ticket only to get in the fast lane line to hear some second class citizen yelling at me for using the fast lane. No no no, no. I will yell back, hey jack, get a better job, or know your role and shut the hell up! I'll be in the front seat and you complainers can watch and complain, i earned it with sweat and i will enjoy it. America is lazy, not me.

I don't begrudge you for choosing to use Fast Lane. Heck, the park is offering it. If you have the cash to blow on it every time you go to the park, go ahead and line "the suits" pockets with your hard earned cash.

However, if you think that your money means that you are entitled to thumb your nose at us "second class citizens" who should "get a better job", well, I hope you have some second class soda or spit rain down on you from the bridge as you wait for your group of 6 to get their chance to ride Volcano. (as slow as the loading for Volcano is, even for fast lane users, you will have plenty of time to yell back at the hecklers who have the "privilege" of higher ground. Might be to your advantage to remember that before choosing to wage a war of words, lol!!)

People who don't have the luxury to drop an extra $50 every visit to an amusement park aren't lazy. Frankly, I find Fast Lane lazy. Rather than try to beat the lines by knowing the layout of the park, people can now stroll up to a kiosk, plop down their money and walk right to the front of the line. Where is the hard work in that?

Paul

It was so nice on this forum while he was away. Too bad he's returned, I was hoping Eric blocked him after all his racist and completely out of line comments last year. Perhaps we should all do what we did last time and let the troll starve (as someone here once said).

Jen
Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 4/10/12 9:24:24 PM
Nice TR! I'm thinking of making a trip to BGE again this year - I'll let you know if I do and maybe we can meet up! Don't know if I'll have time to do both parks again and I'm curious about Verbolten (and you know my love for Griffon - Sssh! Don't let KK hear that!)
Jen
Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/10/12 9:50:46 PM
GoYanks34 said:

Nice TR! I'm thinking of making a trip to BGE again this year - I'll let you know if I do and maybe we can meet up! Don't know if I'll have time to do both parks again and I'm curious about Verbolten (and you know my love for Griffon - Sssh! Don't let KK hear that!)

Thanks, Jen. I considered ignoring our troll, but I took the bait. Oh well.

I'd love to do a BGE trip with you. While I'm closer than you, at 3 hrs, it's not exactly my neighborhood park either. Maybe we can work something out this summer. Don't forget, we still have Hershey plans :)

PS, I won't tell the "big guy", but you better watch out for that tattletale, Mike. He's like the host of Cheaters with the boom mikes and the camera crew jumping out of the van :)

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Coaster316 at 4/10/12 10:40:53 PM
Can you confirm if Treasure Cave was open or closed? Was it even still standing? Heard a couple of rumors about it "not being open for 2012" but haven't seen anything for certain yet.

Thanks.

Jeff

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 4/11/12 5:47:25 AM
alpengeistno3 said:

GoYanks34 said:

Nice TR! I'm thinking of making a trip to BGE again this year - I'll let you know if I do and maybe we can meet up! Don't know if I'll have time to do both parks again and I'm curious about Verbolten (and you know my love for Griffon - Sssh! Don't let KK hear that!)

Thanks, Jen. I considered ignoring our troll, but I took the bait. Oh well.

I'd love to do a BGE trip with you. While I'm closer than you, at 3 hrs, it's not exactly my neighborhood park either. Maybe we can work something out this summer. Don't forget, we still have Hershey plans :)

PS, I won't tell the "big guy", but you better watch out for that tattletale, Mike. He's like the host of Cheaters with the boom mikes and the camera crew jumping out of the van :)

Paul

Well, we WANT to have Hershey plans, but we don't have them yet. We may not have to go there, though..According to Jen, Sky Rush will actually be at GAdv :)

Oh, and Paul...I resemble that remark :)

Mike

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 4/11/12 7:20:07 AM
beastmaster said:

Well, we WANT to have Hershey plans, but we don't have them yet. We may not have to go there, though..According to Jen, Sky Rush will actually be at GAdv :)

Oh, and Paul...I resemble that remark :)

Mike


You're SO funny! I will put together that Hershey trip as soon as I have confirmation that SKY RUSH is actually open. I know they say 5/26 but we've all heard that one before....

Jen

Jen
Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Coaster316 at 4/11/12 8:11:27 AM
NotSo said:

I'll be damned if i buy a fast lane ticket only to get in the fast lane line to hear some second class citizen yelling at me for using the fast lane.

I agree with most of this sentiment. Most of us work hard for the money we earn and who is anyone to tell us how to spend it or to tell us we are "blowing it" by spending it the way we do? Now, I don't agree that anyone yelling is a second class citizen, but the general sentiment is there.

I mean, even in this thread fast pass has been referred to as "blowing" money and "stomach turning". Its a bit frustrating.

- Jeff

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/11/12 9:13:21 PM
Coaster316 said:

NotSo said:


I'll be damned if i buy a fast lane ticket only to get in the fast lane line to hear some second class citizen yelling at me for using the fast lane.

I agree with most of this sentiment. Most of us work hard for the money we earn and who is anyone to tell us how to spend it or to tell us we are "blowing it" by spending it the way we do? Now, I don't agree that anyone yelling is a second class citizen, but the general sentiment is there.

I mean, even in this thread fast pass has been referred to as "blowing" money and "stomach turning". Its a bit frustrating.

- Jeff

Jeff, you are more than welcome to spend your money how you chose. People spent hundreds of dollars on those mega millions tickets and got nothing from it. I'm sure they didn't feel they were blowing their money either, even when they didn't win. At least fast lane is a slam dunk.

Me, I will not buy a fast lane ticket to Kings Dominion EVER!! If the park is so busy that the only way I can ride anything is to get one of those tickets, well that is a day I should not be at KD (I usually go on days that are not crowded and will not hesitate to leave if the park is otherwise, which is what I did when Saturday got bogged down.) If it gets to the point where the only way I can enjoy my day at the park is by plunking down an extra $50 when I get there, I will not be renewing my season pass (I will just buy a one day ticket, like I do for any Six Flags park now.)

As I said, you and anyone else who feels like taking advantage of the parks selling the right to "cut line" are more than welcome get Fast lane and use it to your hearts content. You won't get any smiles from me when you take my row on the train or come bouncing up the emergency ramps.


Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 4/11/12 10:47:55 PM
alpengeistno3 said:

As I said, you and anyone else who feels like taking advantage of the parks selling the right to "cut line" are more than welcome get Fast lane and use it to your hearts content. You won't get any smiles from me when you take my row on the train or come bouncing up the emergency ramps.

Paul

Now I want SO bad to go to KD whenever you're going, get a FP (or FL) and follow you around the park just jumping into the row you're waiting for. That would be a great skit - could come after the one I want to make of Mike kidnapping children to ride the kiddie coasters! (he he he - I crack myself up!)

Jen

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/11/12 11:36:26 PM
GoYanks34 said:

alpengeistno3 said:

As I said, you and anyone else who feels like taking advantage of the parks selling the right to "cut line" are more than welcome get Fast lane and use it to your hearts content. You won't get any smiles from me when you take my row on the train or come bouncing up the emergency ramps.

Paul

Now I want SO bad to go to KD whenever you're going, get a FP (or FL) and follow you around the park just jumping into the row you're waiting for. That would be a great skit - could come after the one I want to make of Mike kidnapping children to ride the kiddie coasters! (he he he - I crack myself up!)

Jen

Well, if you're riding alone, I'll just hop in with you :) The lines won't be as long next time I am there on Sunday on my way back from Busch.

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Coaster316 at 4/12/12 7:49:55 AM
alpengeistno3 said
You won't get any smiles from me when you take my row on the train or come bouncing up the emergency ramps.


Paul

Its not your row until you get there.

And you really shouldn't assume that everyone using fast pass are rich people proud to be skipping over the poor. Your tone implies that but you don't know that. I know of a lot of people who work overtime or extra hard to be able to provide their family and friends a treat by getting a fast pass. They deserve a good time and not to be snarled at from line just like those who don't use fast pass deserve not to have pass users bouncing around as they board.

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 4/12/12 9:39:13 AM
alpengeistno3 said:

GoYanks34 said:

alpengeistno3 said:

As I said, you and anyone else who feels like taking advantage of the parks selling the right to "cut line" are more than welcome get Fast lane and use it to your hearts content. You won't get any smiles from me when you take my row on the train or come bouncing up the emergency ramps.

Paul

Now I want SO bad to go to KD whenever you're going, get a FP (or FL) and follow you around the park just jumping into the row you're waiting for. That would be a great skit - could come after the one I want to make of Mike kidnapping children to ride the kiddie coasters! (he he he - I crack myself up!)

Jen

Well, if you're riding alone, I'll just hop in with you :) The lines won't be as long next time I am there on Sunday on my way back from Busch.

Paul

The above , if I read it correctly, indicates you'll hit KD this weekend. You went to KD last week. You'll go to KD next weekend.

Who do you think you are....ME? :)

Mike

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by lk2500 at 4/12/12 10:24:45 AM
Coaster316 said:

alpengeistno3 said
You won't get any smiles from me when you take my row on the train or come bouncing up the emergency ramps.


Paul

Its not your row until you get there.

And you really shouldn't assume that everyone using fast pass are rich people proud to be skipping over the poor. Your tone implies that but you don't know that. I know of a lot of people who work overtime or extra hard to be able to provide their family and friends a treat by getting a fast pass. They deserve a good time and not to be snarled at from line just like those who don't use fast pass deserve not to have pass users bouncing around as they board.

Or they are people like me who spent $3,000 for flights + hotel + rental car for a family of 4 to hit up a couple of theme parks and boost your state's economy. And I'm by no means rich, just looking to give my kids a memorable vacation. You are very fortunate to have a theme park like this in your backyard.

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by ray_p ray_p Profile at 4/12/12 12:06:36 PM
Jeff said: “They deserve a good time and not to be snarled at from line just like those who don't use fast pass deserve not to have pass users bouncing around as they board.”

Leave it to Jeff to have the most rational line I have read on ANY message forum about FastPass. Some people are very one-sided about this… it’s almost like talking politics.

While I am a huge proponent of pay-to-cut systems and will use them any chance I get now, I do have to say that I like some systems better than others. Kennywood and Darien Lake’s “instant access” on select rides is pretty cool, but seems the least fair of the methods. Dollywood’s Q2Q was the best use of a pay-to-cut system I have seen (and I guess that would apply to standard Flash Pass at SF parks, but I don’t have personal experience with those). Want to ride Mystery Mine but it has a 45 minute wait? Punch it in on the Q-Bot and 45 minutes later, you’ll be buzzed to go ride. So technically, you are still waiting in line, you just aren’t physically standing in it. I could go ride Blazing Fury, eat lunch, and shop during that time. I don’t know, but in my opinion, I liked this option the best.

That said, I am looking forward to using FastLane at CP this summer and any other park I visit that offers it. I’m getting too old to be dealing with standing in long, slow-moving lines. If there’s a way to avoid that, I’ll shell out whatever it costs to do so. And believe me, I am FAR from being rich.

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by lk2500 at 4/12/12 12:25:02 PM
I agree that the Fast Lane system should be tweeked. They should limit the amount of turns on the premiere rides and/or make you pay additional to use it on the premiere rides. SFMM charges an additional fee to add a ride on X2 and Green Lantern to their flash pass.

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Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/12/12 9:37:40 PM
Paul

The above , if I read it correctly, indicates you'll hit KD this weekend. You went to KD last week. You'll go to KD next weekend.

Who do you think you are....ME? :)

Mike

Normally, I wouldn't go back until later when school is in, but I got invited down to BGE for a shoot this weekend, so I'll swing by KD on the way back. My rule is, NEVER drive by KD without stopping for at least a couple of rides :)

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/12/12 10:18:57 PM
Coaster316 said:

Its not your row until you get there.

Quite the contrary. I don't know if you are aware of this, but for the regular lines, they have these metal railing that you line up in, some 4-8 people deep. You choose which row you wish to ride in at that moment (pardon my dripping sarcasm here.)

Coaster316 said:

And you really shouldn't assume that everyone using fast pass are rich people proud to be skipping over the poor.

Did I ever say someone was "rich" for purchasing fast lane or any other "pay to cut system"? I may have spouted off at NOT SO for his snide "2nd class citizen remark", but I never said anyone else was rich. I did say you can spend your money how you choose and I choose to NOT spend it for something that I used to get with my season pass every year for the last 25 years (the ability to ride every ride I choose in the park.)

Coaster316 said:

Your tone implies that but you don't know that. I know of a lot of people who work overtime or extra hard to be able to provide their family and friends a treat by getting a fast pass.

And more power to them. These are the people that Fast Lane is catering to, not the coaster enthusiast who had a long day at work and wants to just stop in for a couple of rides on the way home.

Once again, I don't begrudge anyone using fast lane. I don't like that Kings Dominion (and the rest of Cedar Fair, but it isn't fair for me to condemn the rest of the chain until I personally see how they are implementing FL.) thinks my place in line can be sold with no compensation to me. At least, some parks make you wait a certain amount of time before you can enter the line based on the line length. With Cedar Fair, you flash your wrist band and off you go. To my knowledge, there is no limit, no restrictions, and apparently no restraint on how many the park will sell. (They claim there is a limit, but Friday, there wasn't any shortage of people queueing up with those wrist bands that I saw. I question at what point they will say, "sorry ma'am, we don't want your money today. Fastlane is sold out." Especially when the only limit is the number of printed wrist bands they have at the kiosk at the time.

Coaster316 said:

They deserve a good time and not to be snarled at from line just like those who don't use fast pass deserve not to have pass users bouncing around as they board.

Here's a little irony for you. Remember my report on the end of the night at Intimidator? How people were using the Fast Lane line to cut into the regular line because there was no one at the front entrance to monitor who was entering until they got to the station. For me standing there in the line, patiently waiting my turn to ride, what is the difference between someone who paid the park for the right to get on in front of me and someone who just decided to rudely do it on their own? Should I, as a regular park goer be happy that you drove hundreds of miles and paid for overnight accommodations for your family of four and can buy a pass that allows you to walk right by me in what is supposed to be a line? If it was your home park, would you be happy to have 20, 30, maybe even 40 or so people bypass you in line because the park sold them to right to do so?

On Dominator, they shut the ride down to make sure they got the entire family of a person who cut in line (bravo!!), but the whole time, people were still coming up the fast lane entrance crowding the station. Other than the money that the park received, what is the difference?

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 4/12/12 10:39:40 PM
How is Cedar Fair implementing the Flash Pass? They let you go right up to board without waiting in line? Oh, that's not right and as you know I'm a frequent Flash Pass customer. If that's what they're doing that's not going to last very long.

Jen

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/12/12 11:53:10 PM
As I observed, you get a special wristband to wear. Just walk up to the fast lane op and flash your wrist band and you are on the ride. I think I have gone into enough detail about Volcano. On FOF, you get to enter directly in the station by the article bins. On I-305, you get to go directly into the station by the gate next to rows 15 and 16. Windseeker has the line sectioned in half so the fast lane people get to go to rows 1-17 and the rest of the line goes to rows 18-32. Dominator, you go up the emergency stairs directly into the station, similar to how Nitro and B:TR is set up. Those are the only rides I was able to observe. I noticed a separate gate for Flying Eagles, but I have no idea how many Fast Lane users they will let on for a cycle since I never observed it in use.

No wait, no limit. Buy your pass and enjoy your cutting as much as you like (now, I don't know if anyone decided to "abuse" their fast lane privileges, but the park seems to imply that you can.)

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by Coaster316 at 4/13/12 8:20:14 AM
alpengeistno3 said:

I don't know if you are aware of this, but for the regular lines, they have these metal railing that you line up in, some 4-8 people deep. You choose which row you wish to ride in at that moment...

Not quite sure exactly what you're saying here...but yes, you choose what row you wish to ride at that moment but it doesn't become your row until those 4-8 people are finished. Now, its when those 4-8 and fast passers are finished.

alpengeistno3 said:
Remember my report on the end of the night at Intimidator?

No.

alpengeistno3 said:

If it was your home park, would you be happy to have 20, 30, maybe even 40 or so people bypass you in line because the park sold them to right to do so?

Honestly, I wouldn't be waiting in a line at my home park long enough where losing a couple of trains at the end of it would upset me unless I was with someone who didn't get there often...and at that point, I'd have a fast pass.

alpengeistno3 said:

Other than the money that the park received, what is the difference?

Nothing at all. The rules have changed.

I'm like some of the others here. There are better ways to implement front of line systems than others and I understand Kings Dominion is already trying to make changes to allow theirs to go more smoothly. Hopefully, they can figure it out. But I've been around long enough to know that front of line is becoming a part of this hobby and I've adapted to accept and appreciate it and not allow it to interfere with my fun.

- Jeff

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/13/12 11:38:45 AM
Not to brag too much, but i did "call" the Timberliners being a complete bust about 3 years ago. Trolling along here..

Alpengiesto, i got 50 bucks for you any time you want to meet at CP and ride with me fast lane style, no joke lets do it! Say yes and Ill tell you when i'm there..

The more important issue is however, the notion that all fast pass buyers are pricks.

Or the fact that some people bust their butts at hard jobs in 110 deg factories for 12 hrs a day, because they are dummies like me, but want to support thier family and give their kids nice things. Hey, its obvious i like to act up on here, but calling me a troll as the bast response, whatever. I've worked too hard to take crap from anyone, and ive accomplished too much. Call me a troll, thats a copout. Back it up with something. I plan to retire at 52, what you troll callers got?

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Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 4/13/12 12:11:29 PM
NotSo said:

Not to brag too much, but i did "call" the Timberliners being a complete bust about 3 years ago.

"Bust?" Maybe when it comes to Voyage, at least for now. I don't know if you've been fortunate enough to ride Wooden Warrior, but they certainly ain't a bust on that. They're fantastic, and I still hold out hope that Voyage will eventually wear them as well as WW does.

Mike

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/14/12 1:38:12 AM
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alpengeistno3 said:

Other than the money that the park received, what is the difference?

Nothing at all. The rules have changed.

I'm like some of the others here. There are better ways to implement front of line systems than others and I understand Kings Dominion is already trying to make changes to allow theirs to go more smoothly. Hopefully, they can figure it out. But I've been around long enough to know that front of line is becoming a part of this hobby and I've adapted to accept and appreciate it and not allow it to interfere with my fun.

- Jeff


Very well said. That is how i see it too. Top drawer sir..

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Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/14/12 2:49:38 AM
People who don't have the luxury to drop an extra $50 every visit to an amusement park aren't lazy. Frankly, I find Fast Lane lazy. Rather than try to beat the lines by knowing the layout of the park, people can now stroll up to a kiosk, plop down their money and walk right to the front of the line. Where is the hard work in that?

Paul


The hard work is in earning the money.

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by alpengeistno3 at 4/15/12 1:18:14 AM
NotSo said:

People who don't have the luxury to drop an extra $50 every visit to an amusement park aren't lazy. Frankly, I find Fast Lane lazy. Rather than try to beat the lines by knowing the layout of the park, people can now stroll up to a kiosk, plop down their money and walk right to the front of the line. Where is the hard work in that?


Paul


The hard work is in earning the money.

You claim you are not a troll, so I will try to engage you in rational argument one last time.

Your money is yours to spend how you choose. It should not give you the right to infringe on my right to choose to not spend it.

For instance, you work hard for your money, you can buy a super sports car that will drive 150 miles an hour. Do the police give you the right to drive your car at 150 while everyone else with regular cars drive at the speed limit? That's what KD's use of Fast lane is doing...different rules based on how much money you spend AND it is hurting those who are not purchasing it.

Busch and presumably Hershey has it right and Six Flags was equitable until they started offering Gold and Platinum versions that changed the wait time arbitrarily. Universal and Disney have the price point high enough that people can't run away with it, plus they seem to only have it on rides that can take the hit. (I can't be sure about how it was before their programs, so I have nothing to base the current against.


I'll see what KD has changed (or if it even a factor Sunday and maybe post both TR's when I get home on Monday.

Paul

Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/15/12 3:07:15 AM
Sounds like you should write KD a letter and tell them how crappy they run the place.

Believe me, CP will be no better as the park is run bu teenagers, but i'm gonna line some Cedar Fair Suits pockets with fiftys anyways.

BTW, parks don't set the prices hoping most people won't use the service. They are in business to make money. You seem confused by that??

You say, "Your money is yours to spend how you choose. It should not give you the right to infringe on my right to choose to not spend it." I say, what!?! Really?!?! Thats how the world works cap, nothing you can do about it except to adapt.
I don't make the park rules, but i play the park game just as good as anyone.

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Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by NotSo NotSo Profile at 4/15/12 4:57:21 AM
Maybe one day i'll check out KD again, fast lane my treat alpengiesto, i'll show you some secrets i know there...

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Re: KD TR: 4/7/12 Day 2 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 4/16/12 1:58:37 AM
Another great TR Paul. That fast pass situation at Cedar Fair parks will make me reevaluate how to approach those parks. Usually my wife and 3 kids are with me when visiting parks. I'm not going to pay $250 for fast passes. I have used fast passes and things of that nature before, and I'll use them again, if I'm by myself or when I finally make that dream trip to SF Magic Mountain. I have mixed feelings about those passes, but it is now an option. I remember the good ole days when your SF season pass was your fast pass. The last time when I was SF New England Superman ROS was a hour wait, but we would swipe our season pass and get 2 rides in row after that hour. At first these passes were implemented to make the experience more enjoyable. Now parks are using it to make more money. The GP is not going to like it, but the fast pass users will. Only time will tell if this helps or hurts the industry.