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New For 2012

drachen drachen Profile

Posted:
2/18/11 at
5:58:38 PM

Preface:

I know, this may be a bit early. But I was looking over the list of new coasters for 2011 on RCDB, and I am left a bit unispired.

Out here in the east, I'm looking forward to Green Lantern at SFGAdv, but let's face it, it's not new. I'm looking forward to Black Diamond, but nothing really thrilling there. Flying Turns could open, which would be great, but I'm not holding my breath.

The only major, truly new coasters opening this year in the U.S. are Cheetah Hunt at Busch Tampa and Green Lantern at Magic Mountain. We can throw in a couple of Euro-fighters at Canobie and SFoG too, I guess.

The only new wooden coaster is the tiny Wooden Warrior in CT, which seems crazy to me. Zippin Pippin is being rebuilt in Green Bay, and a rehabbed Texas Giant will open, but it seems more of a steel ride now.

2011 is just a slow year for new coasters.

Now, I hope to get to a few of these this year. However my anticipation for 2011 is not for the new rides, but for new-to-me parks like Indiana Beach and Holiday World.

As far as new coasters go, I'm looking forward to the following year, 2012, as it seems there will be a lot of major parks adding major roller coasters. Some are already confirmed. Some are speculation, but clues seem to dictate that they are up to something.

I'm going to reply to this post and start a running list that I will edit as announcements are made, since some announcements are expected sooner than later. The list looks good already. 2012 is going to be a big year.

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Looking over the list, I'm not seeing a lot of opportunites for wooden coasters in 2012 either, which is disappointing. I hope that's not the case.

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New For 2012: The List by drachen drachen Profile at 2/18/11 6:38:19 PM
Confirmed

Sea World San Diego
-- Manta, multi-launched coaster, Mack

Hersheypark
-- Skyrush, Intamin mega-coaster, new train design
200 ft tall, 85 degree 1st drop, 3600 ft long, 75 mph

-- New Gerstlauer trains for sooperdooperLooper.

Canada's Wonderland
-- Leviathan, B&M "giga"-coaster,
306 ft tall, 80 degree 1st drop, 5600 ft long, 92 mph

Dorney Park
-- Stinger, Relocated Vekoma Invertigo from CGA, and a Dinosaurs Alive! walkthrough.

Six Flags America
-- Apocalypse, Relocated B&M Stand-up coaster from SFGAm

Six Flags New England
-- Goliath, Relocated Vekoma GIB from Magic Mountain

Six Flags Great America
-- X-Flight, a B&M Wing-rider,
120 ft tall, 3000 ft long, 55 mph, 5 inversions

Six Flags Discovery Kingdom
-- Superman: Ultimate Flight, a Premier launched, closed loop coaster, 62 mph, 150 ft inversion, two "vertical twists"

Dollywood
-- Wild Eagle, a B&M Wing Rider
210 ft tall, 135 ft drop, 3127 ft long, 61 mph, 4 inversions

Busch Gardens Williamsburg
-- Verbolten, a Zierer multi-launching(2) coaster, indoor/outdoor, with special effects. 50+ mph, 2800+ feet long, 3 1/2 minutes long. 5, 16 passenger trains, 88 foot final drop down to the water.

Knoebels (hopefully)
--Flying Turns, they were close last year. I can't help but think 2012 will be the year. I'll be watching it closely.

Galveston Island Historic Pier
--Iron Shark, 100 ft tall Gerstlauer Eurofighter with 4 inversions. Part of the Galveston Pier rebuild. Love seeing stuff like this.

Parks that Went in a Different Direction in 2012. Maybe 2013?

Cedarar Point
-- Dinosaurs Alive! Animatronic dinosaur walk through attraction will be added to Millennium Island. In addition, Soak City will add a multi-lane mat racer water slide.

Holiday World
-- Announced Mammoth, another water coaster. This one is the world's longest, with 6 seater rafts.
69 ft tall, 1763 ft long, five tunnels, uphill LIMs.
Also announced the addition of a Zamperla vertical swing ride.

Carowinds
-- Announced Windseeker, the 5th 301 ft swing ride from Cedar Fair.

Six Flags Magic Mountain
-- Announced Lex Luthor: Drop of Doom, two free fall rides, added to the sides of the 415 ft Superman Tower. Awesome.

Six Flags Great Adventure
-- Sky Screamer, 240 ft high, and the King Cobra water slide at Hurricane Harbor. Great Adventure is also re-installing bumper cars, a scrambler, and the Flying Elephants.

Six Flags Fiesta Texas
-- Sky Screamer, 200 ft high, and an additional attraction to be named.

Six Flags St. Louis
-- Bonzai Pipeline, a "looping" water slide.

Great Escape
-- Alpine Freefalls, a dual slide tower, with one vertical drop slide, and a mat racing slide.

Kings Dominion
-- Windseeker, Cedar Fair's 6th 301 ft tall swing ride.
Also adding a Dinosaur's Alive! walk-through attraction.

Kings Island
-- Waterpark re-branded 'Soak City'. New 650,000 gallon wave pool, new lazy river, new entrance, new amenities.

Morey's Piers
-- New Zamperla Kang-a-Bounce, new swinging ship "Riptide", new mat racer water slide, revamped lazy river. New lighting package on Giant Wheel.

Knott's Berry Farm
-- Nothing new for 2012. Looks more and more like 2013 will be the year for the long awaited Knott's megacoaster. Fingers crossed.

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Re: New For 2012 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 2/18/11 9:26:18 PM

I'm hoping KI doesn't tear down SoB. I'd like to be able to ride that coaster at least once. At worst could they just tear down some segments and keep parts like the 'rose bowl' in place? Probably easier to take it all down, but it would seem like such a waste if some segments could be incorporated into a new wood coaster.

Re: New For 2012: The List by RobLec RobLec Profile at 2/19/11 9:14:00 AM

> Kings Island
> -- Diamondback will be two years old. Will 2012 be the year...

2012 will be the park's 40th anniversary, they'd better do something big!

Re: New For 2012: The List by drachen drachen Profile at 2/19/11 3:24:45 PM

> 2012 will be the park's 40th anniversary, they'd better do
> something big!

I can't help but think that somebody will build the U.S.'s first B&M "wing" coaster in 2012. Somebody like Cedar Point could build one. Kings Island could too, but I doubt they'd get one before CP.

For me, it's a real shame that Magic Mountain's X had so many problems in its early years. I would have loved to have seen that design take off, rather than scare off other parks.

I would think B&M's version will be more mechanically sound since the seats are fixed. They look like a lot of fun, and if CP were to get one, I will be there in 2012.

Re: New For 2012: The List by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/20/11 12:03:42 AM

I would think B&M's version will be more mechanically sound
> since the seats are fixed. They look like a lot of fun, and
> if CP were to get one, I will be there in 2012.

I second that emotion....

Re: New For 2012: The List by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 2/20/11 11:02:33 AM

> I would think B&M's version will be more mechanically
> sound
> since the seats are fixed. They look like a lot of fun, and
> if CP were to get one, I will be there in 2012.

> I second that emotion....

I third that emotion ;~)

Jen

Re: New For 2012: The List by Absimilliard Absimilliard Profile at 2/20/11 1:41:27 PM

The thing with the parks in the US is that they got so many coasters already. I feel some of them have reached the point where adding a 20 millions $ ride is not going to increase attendance that much and they would need to remove another ride to keep operating and maintenance fees down. I expect smaller and more imaginative rides at the big corporate parks and its the smaller parks that will surprise us.

Re: New For 2012 by Geauga_Dog Geauga_Dog Profile at 2/21/11 3:26:23 PM

I'm somewhat surprised that Cedar Point has gone this long without a major coaster addition but I'm also glad that they are adding new attractions that appeal to more broader range of guests.

I would not be surprised if they look closely at the B&M Wing Rider concept once it opens though I think it would be great at Kings Island. That kind of ride, mixed with the terrain towards the back of the park, would be rather sweet.

G-Dog

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 2/21/11 8:07:59 PM

I guess that I'm one of the few that's not going crazy over the Wing Rider concept. I wouldn't even compare a Wing Rider to a 4D coaster; The only thing that they have in common are a psuedo-similar seat alignment (4D's face backwards and WR's face forwards). That's it, nothing else is remotely similar. THE 4D's Zipper-like spinning seats (making unofficial inversions with those unique raven turns) have more unpredictability that the Wing Rider can only dream of; Ball coasters are a better comparsion to 4D's. Intamin's Wing Rider (Furious Baco) seemed pretty exciting with a high-speed launch (fastest coaster with inversion) to atleast make it stand out from other coaster types, then B&M basically dummied the concept down with the chain lift. WR's seems limited as far as what inversions can be done (with the corkscrew, zero-G roll, and inline twist so far). A B&M inverted seems way more versatile than a WR, and it has similar floorless roots. WR's seems like it's all looks and little versatility. I'll be very surprised to see a Wing Rider surge invading the U.S. anytime soon.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 2/22/11 11:16:55 AM

> I guess that I'm one of the few that's not going crazy over
> the Wing Rider concept. I wouldn't even compare a Wing
> Rider to a 4D coaster; The only thing that they have in
> common are a psuedo-similar seat alignment (4D's face
> backwards and WR's face forwards). That's it, nothing else
> is remotely similar.

I agree, and it's silly to call B&M's or Intamin's version '4-D', as the fourth dimension on Arrow's refers to the ability of the seats to rotate. I thought X was absolutely phenominal because of it.

However, the idea of riding a coaster with nothing above you or below you is a concept that I'm really excited to try again, and it would be very marketable to the GP. That's where B&M can deliver a great ride.

> Intamin's Wing Rider (Furious Baco) seemed pretty
> exciting with a high-speed launch (fastest coaster with
> inversion) to atleast make it stand out from other coaster
> types, then B&M basically dummied the concept down with the
> chain lift.

B&M became known for their superbly engineered layouts and for creating/perfecting new ways to ride, whether it was four across seating, inverted trains, stand-up trains, flying trains, or floorless trains. They are good at it, and their rides are the most reliable out there. I think it will be more of the same with the Wing Rider design.

Intamin's version didn't exactly take off either, for whatever reason. Maybe the industry has moved on from launched coasters. B&M is now providing a more traditional steel layout with their Wing Rider design. Combine that with B&M's reliability, and it will be very attractive to U.S. parks.

> WR's seems limited as far as what inversions
> can be done (with the corkscrew, zero-G roll, and inline
> twist so far). A B&M inverted seems way more versatile than
> a WR, and it has similar floorless roots. WR's seems like
> it's all looks and little versatility.

I'll reserve judgement until I ride one. I can see the Wing Riders doing Immelmans or diving loops. Inversions aren't everything for me.

> I'll be very
> surprised to see a Wing Rider surge invading the U.S.
> anytime soon.

I wouldn't call it a surge like the inverted coaster had. But I would expect to see a handful of them show up over the next few years, maybe on the level of the floorless installations.

SFMM won't be getting one anytime soon, since they have X2. But I can totally see parks like Cedar Point, Kings Island, Kings Dominion, the Busch Parks, and several Six Flags parks like Great Adventure, Great America, Georgia, and Texas getting one. Maybe eventually "smaller" parks with the capital dollars like Knott's, Hershey, and Dorney as well.

Bottom line for me is that I loved X, not just because of the innovation, but because it was fun to ride a coaster in that way - totally free-flying. I've been waiting a long time to ride another ride similar to it and closer to home.

In a perfect world, SFGAdv would build an Arrow/S&S 4-D coaster. But that's not happening. If B&M can provide a ride like X, and make it reliable, then I'm all for it.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/22/11 12:26:49 PM

>(Furious Baco)

There REALLY should be an "N" on the end of that....

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by Absimilliard Absimilliard Profile at 2/22/11 2:03:59 PM

I would expect the SeaWorld parks to eventually get Wingriders from B&M. Merlin in Europe are building the first two (Gardaland and Thorpe Park in 2012) and Blackstone owns both Merlin and SeaWorld.

Another innovation this year from B&M is the smaller Dive Machine that Merlin purchased for Heide Park in Germany. Instead of the huge 8 and 10 across cars, it use 6 across cars in 3 rows and that way, the track doesn't have to be as wide and the layout could be a lot closer to the regular B&M coasters. Here's a picture of the new trains: http://www.rcdb.com/9097.htm?p=33589 .

If Krake works out well, will we see more affordable B&M Dive Coaster in the US?

Re: New For 2012 by Geauga_Dog Geauga_Dog Profile at 2/22/11 10:33:50 PM

I think we'll see a few B&M Wing Riders as not many parks are going to want to invest in a full S&S 4-D. With the new one being built in China that makes only three in the world so while it's a ride I wish was closer to my neck of the woods I'll never see one. The Wing Rider would be the closest to it and seems like something unique that CF would consider adding to Cedar Point.

While I'm keeping my eye on the further development of B&M's new coaster style, my eye is actually on the Intamin ZacSpin. If Green Lantern at SFMM is a huge hit, and I think it will be, I can see more of these added to other SF parks. Something tells me SFGAm could get one - it would easily fit in the spot Splashwater Falls used to be - plus they are long overdue a significant sized coaster since Superman was built.

I can somewhat see CP getting a ZacSpin. Would have fit in Demon Drop's old spot and offer a ride experience they don't offer right now. While many may scoff at the idea due to the capacity of the ZacSpin you have to remember the lower capacity issue didn't stop them from adding Wicked Twister.

G-Dog

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 2/23/11 12:32:44 AM

A Zac Spin could fit at SFGADv where stuntman's free fall was :(

Hell, they closed a whole section of the park over by B&R the Chiller. I liked that section and I hope it makes a comeback with something new. The side with movie town is not given enough attention compared to the other side.

As you enter the park there are two sides, the left being the bigger part but still, look at this.

Right side: Nitro, Batman, Congo Rapids, Ferris Wheel, and that big waste of a building we won't talk about.

Left side: EVERYTHING ELSE. El Toro, Bizarro, Kingda Ka, Superman:TUF, Green Lantern, Runaway Mine Train, and more.

Right side removed: Stuntman's Free Fall, B&R the chiller, Water Effect (log flume type ride), choas, the enterprise, bumper cars, the swings, music express, and a whole section of the park.

oh crap......way off topic, my bad!

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 2/23/11 3:50:43 AM

When I look at the B&M coaster types, many of them have that big distinction, you know something that's very unique; Kinda like an 'Ace in the hole'. I'm still trying to figure out what is Wing Riders big selling point besides the obvious 'floorless, and overhead railless' albeit fixed seating combo. Lets break down the Beemer types.

Sitdown: Is the trailblazer that led the way for all other B&M coaster types.

Inverted: Probably B&M's most successful and versatile coaster.

Floorless: Basically a sitdown with no floor. IMO the concept is a gimmicky fad that had a lil' run in the 90's. Probably not worth the extra cost that will occur vs. a sitdown. None haven't been built in a while.

Hyper: Tall heights, steep camelbacks and airtime. Simple but very effective.

Dive Machine: Superb large capacity seating, Ninety degree drops, Very smooth, Decent elements (so far, holding brake, immelmann, and water spashes)

Flying: The feeling of flying like Superman. The pretzel loop is the notable inversion, but there are also plenty of other types of inversions on this type.

Stand Up: Another nineties fad that died. Of course the obvious 'selling point' is that you stand up while riding, but unfortunately the seats are very uncomfortable (esp. for males) I would be surprised if any more are built.

Wing Rider: There's no track above you or below you, BUT there's track to your left or to your right which is significant to note because you're riding on a fixed position looking straight forward, easily anticipating all of the coaster elements just like a normal sitdown. Now if they where to pattern after S&S's design, that would be an entire different story. So there you have it, that's the big 'ace in the hole' no track above or below just like Disney's Dumbo ride.

If I where to play a game of 'Three of these things are not like the other' Group 'A' would have five heavy hittas, and the unfortunate 'Group B' would be 'Stand Up, Floorless, and Wing Rider'. This is just my predetermined opinion (Wing Rider). I've been wrong before on opinions (Dive Machine, which I now like), and of course the ultimate experience is to actually ride the coaster itself.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/23/11 6:07:32 AM

>> Right side: Nitro, Batman, Congo Rapids, Ferris Wheel, and
> that big waste of a building we won't talk about.

Yeah, that French Fry building is the PITS!!! :)

Re: New For 2012 by PkD4Life PkD4Life Profile at 2/23/11 1:35:13 PM

I like the idea behind the Wing Rider format. Im not sure the idea is really about inversions on it but more about being close to the terrain. I would love to see BGE get one and use the area that the BBW was housed in. It looks more and more like they are getting an Intamin or Mack since its multi-launch...but the only hold out is they keep saying it will be like nothing else we have seen. So who knows...you can wish right? lol

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 2/23/11 6:16:51 PM

A little rebuttle for Overbanked:

The Wingrider to me, is all about how it can hug the terrain whether it be ground or water. I think going over water with absolutely no track below and having a feeling of you hanging to the side of the track, will be a really neat thing to experience IMO.

I haven't ridden either a wing rider or a 4D, so to me it's all new :)

Also, don't forget, the seating arrangement gives already awesome inversions a new feeling. Inverted coasters give you a lot of pull on your legs as you whip through loops and corkscrews, hyper's give you an awesome weightlessness feeling on the camel backs.

Imagine doing a 120ft or 100ft camel back on a wingrider! I knw, we have no idea what height they will be, or what inversions they will do, besides the obvious (in line twist). But just the THOUGHT of doing something like that, is worth a trip to a park for me.

- mugen

@beastrider - remember the pretzel stand? the one where they made those HUGE pepperoni pizza pretzels!!! I miss them so :(

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Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/24/11 6:05:28 AM

>> @beastrider - remember the pretzel stand? the one where
> they made those HUGE pepperoni pizza pretzels!!! I miss
> them so :(

Only vaguely. but tell me, Sir Mugen..who is this "beastrider" of whom you speak?

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 2/24/11 4:21:32 PM

> If I where to play a game of 'Three of these things are not
> like the other' Group 'A' would have five heavy hittas, and
> the unfortunate 'Group B' would be 'Stand Up, Floorless,
> and Wing Rider'. This is just my predetermined opinion
> (Wing Rider). I've been wrong before on opinions (Dive
> Machine, which I now like), and of course the ultimate
> experience is to actually ride the coaster itself.

I would throw the flying coaster in Group B, personally. I can't stand them, and I would much rather ride Vekoma's version than B&M's. I think if the Wing Rider takes off, you'll see more of them built and less flyers.

I've always thought the floorless coasters were just a gimmick. The train is just an inverted inverted train. (Yes, I meant to type the word 'inverted' twice.) They are pretty cool in the front seat. But other than that, no matter how good the coaster is, they just feel like a sit-down looping ride to me.

The greatest feat of engineering with that ride is the retracting floor system. That thing is too cool.

If you look at B&M's history, their installations are cyclical, excluding their inverted and hyper coasters which have been constant over the years.

Their designs catch on for a few years with parks in the U.S. and then disappear once the industry has moved on.

1996-1999 Stand-Up
1999-2003 Floorless
2003-2006 Flying
2011-20?? Wing Rider

Of course there are a few outliers, like Hydra in 2005 and Manta in 2009, but the buld of those rides were built in that time period. I excluded the Dive Coaster, as only two of them have been built in the U.S., both by the same company. For some reason, they just haven't caught on.

I think we'll see a few Wing Riders in the States over the next few years, and I hope some of them are up here in the northeast. I would bet money that Cedar Point gets one next year.

Re: New For 2012: The List Photo Icon by drachen drachen Profile at 2/24/11 5:17:59 PM

> Semi-Confirmed

> Dorney Park
> -- Relocated Invertigo

I'm not quite ready to move this out of the Semi-Confirmed category yet, but it should be known that there is a picture circulating around the internet of Invertigo's train on the back of a truck in snowy Allentown. *Found it.

Apparently Cedar Fair feels it will have no problem gaining township appoval to build this ride. Shipping it to PA couldn't have been cheap.

Hell, if this ride is showing up now, technically there would be time to build it this year. Who knows?

I guess I should give credit to the website too.

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Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 2/24/11 10:32:58 PM

@beastMASTER lmao, sorry, in a game I play frequently there is a char by the name of beastrider.

Sorry about that!

I agree with the guy two posts up, Dive coasters should catch on, I would love to see some up in the North East.

I really like how Busch builds the same coaster type, but different layout in their parks. Griffon - SheiKra, and now the triple launch coasters, Cheetah Hunt and the unnamed one at BGW.

Re: New For 2012: The List by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/25/11 10:50:38 AM

> Apparently Cedar Fair feels it will have no problem gaining
> township appoval to build this ride. Shipping it to PA
> couldn't have been cheap.

According to this, town planners have already RECOMMENDED the installation be approved, which is obviously different than tha ACTUAL approval. I love the double-speak, referring to the ride as "similar" to Invertigo. Can you say "paint job," boys and girls? I thought you could.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/parkland/mc-dorney-park-planning-oks-20110218,0,2411061.story

Mike, who will take the credit despite a lack of love for this type of coaster.

Re: New For 2012: The List by RobLec RobLec Profile at 2/25/11 11:48:15 AM

> ... despite a lack of love for this type of coaster.

Similar feelings here, though I've occasionally been known to imbibe in a Swarthy Headbanger.

Re: New For 2012: The List by frontrow frontrow Profile at 2/25/11 12:23:05 PM

The only coaster installation of 2011 that I'm excited about is Cheetah Hunt. Busch Gardens Tampa is a 17 hour drive for me. I plan making that trip in November. I would like to ride Dare Devil Dive, but we were just at Six Flags Over Georgia in June. I do plan to ride Untamed this year because our June coaster trip consists of SF America, SF Great Adventure, SF New England, Lake Compounce, Canobie Lake, and The Great Escape. Our August trip consists of parks in the midwest like Beech Bend, Indiana Beach, Mt Olympus, Timber Falls, and SF Great America. We are using the 2011 season to catch up on some of top ranked wooden coasters we haven't ridden yet. As far 2012 goes, I can't wait. Hershey is only 3 1/2 hours away, Busch Gardens is 5 hours and Cedar Point is 3 hours. It seems we should get to add some really great new steel coasters in the 2012 season. We're all caught up on the top ranked steel coasters in the country, except for the parks in California. If speculations are true, 2012 should be a great coaster year.

Re: New For 2012: The List by drachen drachen Profile at 2/25/11 2:56:36 PM

> Mike, who will take the credit despite a lack of love for
> this type of coaster.

It won't be high on my Dorney Park priority list, but as I've mentioned before, I enjoyed Two Face at SFA. I'll give Invertigo a spin every once in a while. Hey, if thing eats up riders and keeps the lines for Steel Force and Talon down, then I'm glad to have it added to Dorney's line up.

Again, the footprint is small enough that it won't cripple the park's long term plans. If only they would build that GCI. Invertigo makes three hand-me-downs in a row for Dorney. I'd love to see something custom again.

Re: New For 2012: The List by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 2/25/11 7:42:32 PM

> According to this, town planners have already RECOMMENDED
> the installation be approved, which is obviously different
> than tha ACTUAL approval. I love the double-speak,
> referring to the ride as "similar" to Invertigo.
> Can you say "paint job," boys and girls? I
> thought you could.

> Mike, who will take the credit despite a lack of love for
> this type of coaster.

It doesn't matter - it wouldn't be working if I went there anyway along with everything else in the park. Not that I will ever go back there again unless they somehow figure out a way to give me that 8 hours of my life back....

Jen (who's still bitter from that horrendous trip last year and doesn't foresee herself getting over it anytime soon)

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 3/1/11 3:18:44 AM

> Floorless: Basically a sitdown with no floor. IMO the
> concept is a gimmicky fad that had a lil' run in the 90's.
> Probably not worth the extra cost that will occur vs. a
> sitdown. None haven't been built in a while.

I wish more floorless coasters were built. Kraken and Superman Krypton Coaster are on my top 25 steel coaster list. I feel that most floorless coasters are under rated. Out of the top 50 steel coasters in the 2010 Golden Ticket Awards there wasn't a floorless coaster on the list. In most cases B&M hypercoasters and inverted coasters get the credit they deserve. As I evaluate the coasters in Six Flags Great Adventure, because of their multiple B&M installations, Nitro and El Toro are the top dogs. But I feel that Bizzaro is a much better ride than Batman or Superman. I do feel that the smaller floorless coasters like Hydra and Batman Dark Knight are good rides but they are on that 2nd level of B&M coasters. I agree the floorless coaster was a fad. Its too bad more weren't built because I believe that era is over. There probably won't be that many, if any, built in the future. I think they make great additions to any park. For example, Dominator at Kings Dominion. The ones that do exist have provided alot of fun and will continue to do so in the future.

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 3/1/11 6:39:50 AM

> I wish more floorless coasters were built. Kraken and
> Superman Krypton Coaster are on my top 25 steel coaster
> list. I feel that most floorless coasters are under rated.
> Out of the top 50 steel coasters in the 2010 Golden Ticket
> Awards there wasn't a floorless coaster on the list. In
> most cases B&M hypercoasters and inverted coasters get the
> credit they deserve. As I evaluate the coasters in Six
> Flags Great Adventure, because of their multiple B&M
> installations, Nitro and El Toro are the top dogs. But I
> feel that Bizzaro is a much better ride than Batman or
> Superman. I do feel that the smaller floorless coasters
> like Hydra and Batman Dark Knight are good rides but they
> are on that 2nd level of B&M coasters. I agree the
> floorless coaster was a fad. Its too bad more weren't built
> because I believe that era is over. There probably won't be
> that many, if any, built in the future. I think they make
> great additions to any park. For example, Dominator at
> Kings Dominion. The ones that do exist have provided alot
> of fun and will continue to do so in the future.

I couldn't agree with you more - I really like the floorless coasters as well and wouldn't mind seeing more of them.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 3/2/11 4:13:41 AM

> I couldn't agree with you more - I really like the
> floorless coasters as well and wouldn't mind seeing more of
> them.

> Jen

me too! I know they don't add a HUGE difference to the coaster experience from steel sit downs but IMO Kraken is one of the best coasters that I have ridden. (around 58)

As long as they aren't all the same layout, and designers get creative and use the environment with the ride.
If new ones have that then I'm all for it!!

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 3/2/11 10:16:27 AM

> I wish more floorless coasters were built. Kraken and
> Superman Krypton Coaster are on my top 25 steel coaster
> list. I feel that most floorless coasters are under rated.

But is that because the trains have no floor or because the ride has a great layout? Probably a bit of both.

But for me, I like the floorless rides because of the layout and not because my feet are dangling. Really the only thing the floorless train adds for me is the visual in the front row.

I think most people would like all of the floorless coasters just as much if they used standard B&M sitdown trains.

Re: New For 2012 by Great_Ump Great_Ump Profile at 3/2/11 1:35:27 PM

> me too! I know they don't add a HUGE difference to the
> coaster experience from steel sit downs but IMO Kraken is
> one of the best coasters that I have ridden. (around 58)

> As long as they aren't all the same layout, and designers
> get creative and use the environment with the ride.
> If new ones have that then I'm all for it!!

I've said on these boards many times over the years that I think Kraken has one of the least creative layouts of any B&M coaster.

Kraken's layout IMO scream B&M cookie-cutter.

Joe
Great_Ump

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 3/2/11 1:49:40 PM

B&M sitdown layouts & floorless layouts are interchangeable, with either standing out with different elements from each other.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Kraken, and Bizarro(SFGad) (Dominator was just okay for me) but the term "floorless coaster" nowadays is kinda archaic; It's basically just a gloried sitdown. It's like saying "This new car has anti-lock brakes." Look how many types of Beemers are, or can be floorless.

Hypers
Flyers
Dive Machines
Inverteds
Wing Riders

With comp like that, and not to mention the lil' coaster recession we're in, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a new U.S. floorless any time soon. Hell, even international parks aren't making any.

Even HRP decided to add a sitdown (which of course is a moot point now).

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Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 3/2/11 2:38:36 PM

> But is that because the trains have no floor or because the
> ride has a great layout? Probably a bit of both.

> But for me, I like the floorless rides because of the
> layout and not because my feet are dangling. Really the
> only thing the floorless train adds for me is the visual in
> the front row.

> I think most people would like all of the floorless
> coasters just as much if they used standard B&M sitdown
> trains.

The track layout and the elements of the coaster are the most important factors. The freedom of your legs dangling adds to the ride experience. With floorless trains my whole body feels less constricted, which results in more comfortable ride. The B&M inverts also accomplish that same feeling. The B&M hypercoasters have a floor, but they are set up to give your legs alot of room were you can hold them out strait to give you that sense of freedom. Coasters like Mantis, Kumba, and Hulk have great layouts and terrific elements, which makes them really good coasters. If the trains were floorless or were similar to the B&M hypercoaster, I would enjoy them alot more and they would probably rank a lot higher on my personal favorites list.@

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 3/2/11 3:03:34 PM

> me too! I know they don't add a HUGE difference to the
> coaster experience from steel sit downs but IMO Kraken is
> one of the best coasters that I have ridden. (around 58)

> As long as they aren't all the same layout, and designers
> get creative and use the environment with the ride.
> If new ones have that then I'm all for it!!

> I've said on these boards many times over the years that I
> think Kraken has one of the least creative layouts of any
> B&M coaster.

> Kraken's layout IMO scream B&M cookie-cutter.

> Joe
> Great_Ump

I couldn't disagree more. :D

What's your favorite floorless?

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 3/2/11 3:21:31 PM

> What's your favorite floorless?

1) Kraken (Best floorless full circuit, definitely my favorite.)
2) Superman Krypton Coaster (The first half of the ride is incredible.)
3) Bizzaro (Great layout with fantastic theming.)
4) Dominator (Tall, Fast, and a great vertical loop.)
5) Hydra (Small but unique. Love the JoJo roll.)
6) Batman Dark Knight (Good small coaster.)

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 3/2/11 11:57:29 PM

> The track layout and the elements of the coaster are the
> most important factors. The freedom of your legs dangling
> adds to the ride experience. With floorless trains my whole
> body feels less constricted, which results in more
> comfortable ride. The B&M inverts also accomplish that same
> feeling. The B&M hypercoasters have a floor, but they are
> set up to give your legs alot of room were you can hold
> them out strait to give you that sense of freedom. Coasters
> like Mantis, Kumba, and Hulk have great layouts and
> terrific elements, which makes them really good coasters.
> If the trains were floorless or were similar to the B&M
> hypercoaster, I would enjoy them alot more and they would
> probably rank a lot higher on my personal favorites list.@
>

I agree - I like that my feet are dangling but the layout is obviously very important too. I also thought about Nitro/Diamondback and I also feel the same due to the height of the seats. I think it adds to the ride in 2 ways: first, it's much more relaxing and comfortable, especially when you've been on your feet all day in line and second, you can't brace your feet against anything and that gives you more of a feeling of vulnerability, which adds to the excitement/intensity IMO.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 3/3/11 1:09:27 AM

> What's your favorite floorless?

> 1) Kraken (Best floorless full circuit, definitely my
> favorite.)
> 2) Superman Krypton Coaster (The first half of the ride is
> incredible.)
> 3) Bizzaro (Great layout with fantastic theming.)
> 4) Dominator (Tall, Fast, and a great vertical loop.)
> 5) Hydra (Small but unique. Love the JoJo roll.)
> 6) Batman Dark Knight (Good small coaster.)
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Nice list!

Mine would be:

1.) Kraken - (love the location, tunnel dives, and seriously big loop)
2. Dominator - (the whip on the first drop.)
3. Medusa - SFGAdv (homepark, nasty dive element where you can see kingda ka and el toro upside down! haha)

Re: New For 2012 by Great_Ump Great_Ump Profile at 3/3/11 3:23:43 PM

1. Medusa - SFGAdv (can't stand all the effects on Bizaaro)
2. Hydra - really like the smaller compact layout of the ride
3. Dominator - great layout, would be a lot better if there were a zero g roll
4. Batman Dark Knight
5. Kraken

Joe
Great_Ump

Re: New For 2012 by gad198 gad198 Profile at 3/4/11 12:34:21 PM

> What's your favorite floorless?

> 1) Kraken (Best floorless full circuit, definitely my
> favorite.)
> 2) Superman Krypton Coaster (The first half of the ride is
> incredible.)
> 3) Bizzaro (Great layout with fantastic theming.)
> 4) Dominator (Tall, Fast, and a great vertical loop.)
> 5) Hydra (Small but unique. Love the JoJo roll.)
> 6) Batman Dark Knight (Good small coaster.)
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I like this list as well. I would even go a step farther and say that Kraken is the best floorless out there because (a) the MCBR is more for decoration than it is for use and (b) because the speed it has going through the elements (particularly the cobra roll) gives it just the right amount of force. My list would look like this:

Kraken
Bizarro @ Great Adventure
Dominator (definitely agree with the lack of zero-g hurting this one slightly)
Scream
Hydra
Batman - Dark Knight @ SFNE

Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 3/4/11 3:15:18 PM

I thought Scream and Bizarro were the same ride, only mirror images of each other? Oh well, I guess Six Flags spent their money well to improve the ride by adding some cardboard cutouts and a flame thrower for some.

I'm surprised that I have only ridden 3 traditional floorless coasters (Griffon doesn't count for this discussion).

1. Bizarro (I guess it has been called that long enough that to still call it Medusa would confuse people now)- 7 inversions, pretty forceful zero-G roll. Solid ride, used to better when the mid course wasn't on as hard.

2. Dominator- solid ride that feels like it is missing something without the zero-G roll. Probably best 1st drop and mid course drop of any of the B&M loopers I have ridden.

3. Hydra- just a big mess. The Jo-jo is so slow it is more of a nuisance than a novelty coming out of the station. 1st drop is good in the back seat, but small for a 7 inversion ride. All the inversions just lack any pop that would make you feel like you are being put through any kind of paces. There is one slight bunny hill before the final corkscrew that has a decent pop of air, but other than that, Hydra is a great ride on paper that fails to deliver much in person.

Based on the other posts in this "new" thread, I have rode the ones in the middle of every one's rankings. One day, I will travel all the way north to ride Dark Knight or south to ride Kraken.

Paul

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 3/4/11 6:34:39 PM

> I think it adds to the ride in 2 ways:
> first, it's much more relaxing and comfortable, especially
> when you've been on your feet all day in line and second,
> you can't brace your feet against anything and that gives
> you more of a feeling of vulnerability, which adds to the
> excitement/intensity IMO.

All valid points. For me it's weird. I like the two standard B&M sitdowns I've ridden better than any floorless looper I've ridden (6).

My favorite, by the way, is Dominator at KD, followed by Medusa West. If Medusa west had landscaping and theming under it instead of parking spaces, it would probably be my favorite. I actually like its layout better than the rest, but I'm sorry, I can't get past the parking lot.

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 3/4/11 6:40:53 PM

> My favorite, by the way, is Dominator at KD, followed by
> Medusa West. If Medusa west had landscaping and theming
> under it instead of parking spaces, it would probably be my
> favorite. I actually like its layout better than the rest,
> but I'm sorry, I can't get past the parking lot.

Haven't been on Dominator yet but my friend and I are planning a trip there this summer - can't wait! Haven't been there or to BGE since the late 80's/early 90's so it's a trip long overdue.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by Great_Ump Great_Ump Profile at 3/4/11 7:14:28 PM

> 3. Hydra- just a big mess.

Isn't Hydra the shortest B&M in terms of height?

Joe
Great_Ump

Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 3/5/11 6:11:34 PM

> 3. Hydra- just a big mess.

> Isn't Hydra the shortest B&M in terms of height?

> Joe
> Great_Ump

I believe there is one in Europe somewhere (Daemon or something like that) that is 90 ft. I'm sure Hydra is the smallest in NA.

Paul

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 3/5/11 6:35:19 PM

We need a new coaster out here! Take the dark knight we dont want it!

Re: New For 2012 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 3/5/11 8:52:52 PM

> I wish more floorless coasters were built. Kraken and
> Superman Krypton Coaster are on my top 25 steel coaster
> list. I feel that most floorless coasters are under rated.

> But is that because the trains have no floor or because the
> ride has a great layout? Probably a bit of both.

> But for me, I like the floorless rides because of the
> layout and not because my feet are dangling. Really the
> only thing the floorless train adds for me is the visual in
> the front row.

> I think most people would like all of the floorless
> coasters just as much if they used standard B&M sitdown
> trains.

I agree. Dominator, Kraken and then Medusa now Bizzaro are 3 floorless coasters I've rode and I love them all. The elements are what made them fun to ride. But as stated, if you aren't at the front row, the feet dangling doesn't really seem to justify the costs for the 'comb floor'. Parks are better off just buying a sitdown coaster that does basically the same thing.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 3/6/11 1:02:24 AM

> Isn't Hydra the shortest B&M in terms of height?

> Joe
> Great_Ump

> I believe there is one in Europe somewhere (Daemon or
> something like that) that is 90 ft. I'm sure Hydra is the
> smallest in NA.

> Paul

Over in Europe, Alton Towers definitely has a low coaster skyline with it's Beemers (and for that matter, all of it's coasters). Air is just 65' tall, Nemesis is only 42' tall although it has a 104' drop, and Oblivion is 65' with a 180' drop. Talk about using terrain very well!

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 3/6/11 12:21:09 PM

> Isn't Hydra the shortest B&M in terms of height?

> Joe
> Great_Ump

> I believe there is one in Europe somewhere (Daemon or
> something like that) that is 90 ft. I'm sure Hydra is the
> smallest in NA.

> Paul

> Over in Europe, Alton Towers definitely has a low coaster
> skyline with it's Beemers (and for that matter, all of it's
> coasters). Air is just 65' tall, Nemesis is only 42' tall
> although it has a 104' drop, and Oblivion is 65' with a
> 180' drop. Talk about using terrain very well!
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Personally, I don't think either of those count (as being small). They may not top the treeline, but they drop into a big freakin' hole. It's like saying Loch Ness monster is only around 50 feet tall when it drops a total of 113 feet.

Paul

Re: New For 2012: The List by coastermom coastermom Profile at 3/7/11 7:59:30 PM

> For me, it's a real shame that Magic Mountain's X had so
> many problems in its early years. I would have loved to
> have seen that design take off, rather than scare off other
> parks.

First, have you been on x? or X2?

X2 s running GREAT and very little to ZERO breakdowns and I have 1276 rides on the Big Boy. X2 is now a GREAT ride and well maintained and running like a madman!! I've been there all summer and every weekend so far and NEVER had a bad or rough ride! Whatever they did to my baby is working!!! BEST RIDES EVER!

And yes, I'm the biggest fan of this ride but frankly speaking, the Big Boy is running great! And I'm the 1st one critical of the way the trains are riding.

Jodi

> 2012 will be the park's 40th anniversary, they'd better do
> something big!

> I can't help but think that somebody will build the
> U.S.'s first B&M "wing" coaster in 2012. Somebody
> like Cedar Point could build one. Kings Island could too,
> but I doubt they'd get one before CP.

> For me, it's a real shame that Magic Mountain's X had so
> many problems in its early years. I would have loved to
> have seen that design take off, rather than scare off other
> parks.

> I would think B&M's version will be more mechanically sound
> since the seats are fixed. They look like a lot of fun, and
> if CP were to get one, I will be there in 2012.

Re: New For 2012: The List by drachen drachen Profile at 3/8/11 12:28:49 PM

>> For me, it's a real shame that Magic Mountain's X had so
>> many problems in its early years. I would have loved to
>> have seen that design take off, rather than scare off other
>> parks.

> First, have you been on x? or X2?

Yes, I rode X once in 2002 and again in 2005, and I absolutely loved it.

I wasn't ragging on X, I was merely stating my regret that the ride's poor mechanical performance in its early years not only sent Arrow into bankruptcy, but scared other parks off from building similar rides.

> X2 s running GREAT and very little to ZERO breakdowns and I
> have 1276 rides on the Big Boy. X2 is now a GREAT ride and
> well maintained and running like a madman!! I've been there
> all summer and every weekend so far and NEVER had a bad or
> rough ride! Whatever they did to my baby is working!!! BEST
> RIDES EVER!

Great to hear it's running great with the new trains. Both of my rides were pre-new trains. I thought my 2005 ride was rougher than my 2002 ride. I remember taking a few shots to the back of the head that year.

I hope to make it to Magic Mountain in early 2012. X2 will definitely be on the to-do list, along with my precious Viper and Ninja, and first rides on Tatsu, Apocalypse, Green Lantern, and backwards Superman. I need to hit the other side of Colossus too. Do they ever run two sides?

Re: New For 2012: The List by MABrider MABrider Profile at 3/8/11 1:06:29 PM

> X2 s running GREAT and very little to ZERO breakdowns and I
> have 1276 rides on the Big Boy. X2 is now a GREAT ride and
> well maintained and running like a madman!! I've been there
> all summer and every weekend so far and NEVER had a bad or
> rough ride! Whatever they did to my baby is working!!! BEST
> RIDES EVER!

> And yes, I'm the biggest fan of this ride but frankly
> speaking, the Big Boy is running great! And I'm the 1st one
> critical of the way the trains are riding.

> Jodi

Well, whaddaya know?
I am hopefully going to visit SFMM for the first time on March 29. And of course X2 will be a priority, finally getting me on that Bad...er, Big Boy!

That week the park opens for daily ops, hours are 10:30 - 6.
As of now it looks like that Tuesday is penciled in for my SFMM visit, most likely with my daughter.
And due to those somewhat limited hours of operations I know I must do it up right to get in as many coaster rides as possible...meaning pay through the nostrils for the top Flash Pass (I assume the worst, that it will be necessary).
But I've been savin'!

Mike B.

Re: New For 2012: The List by coastermom coastermom Profile at 3/8/11 9:48:21 PM

email me and I'll give you my cell number! We can meet you there!!
divabunnyx@sbcglobal.net

Wooo Hooooo!!!

Re: New For 2012: The List by MABrider MABrider Profile at 3/9/11 8:07:58 AM

> email me and I'll give you my cell number! We can meet you
> there!!
> Wooo Hooooo!!!

Noted.
Stay tuned!

Mike B.

Re: New For 2012: The List by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 3/17/11 5:28:36 AM

I'm curious on yalls opinions on the 2012 Fantasyland expansion at WDW's Magic Kingdom. I'm quite sure that yall have heard, but the main ride attractions are Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, Under the Sea: Journey of the Little Mermaid, and the transformation of Barnstormer to 'The Great Goofini'. I just thought it was kinda weird that no one has mentioned the New Fantasyland expansion on URC yet. Maybe even the hardcore Disney fans feel the way I feel, ho-hum about it.

IMO the additions seems pretty typical Disney and safe, even for a park that caters to children/families. To be honest kids interest aside, I would be surprised if the majority of GP is all uber-excited to check out the New Fantasyland; Then again this is recession-proof Disney we're taking about; They don't hafta do much, and tons of people still flock there in droves. I heard some people comparing this to the Wizarding World addition to IOA which is pretty laughable to me. Back to the question, Are you anticipating the new Fantasyland to open in 2012? Maybe you and your kids are excited to check it out.

Re: New For 2012: The List by RobLec RobLec Profile at 3/17/11 9:45:27 AM

Nope - no excitement here, but then our kids are adults now.
I suspect the WDW expansion is more a reaction to IOA's HP addition rather than being anything even comparable.

Re: New For 2012: The List by Great_Ump Great_Ump Profile at 3/17/11 11:45:37 AM

While I love WDW there isn't much to go back and see once you've hit the parks. Everything is rehabbed or rethemed to death.

Heck, Everest has been around for 5 or 6 years now. I was last at Disney in August of 2006 and I rode Everest then.

I'd love to see the Beastly Kingdom concept brought back. Whether it'd be the rumored 5th park geared towards the Darker side of Disney with a Villians-only concept and Disney's "Thrill Park" to rival IOA, or simply an expansion within the Animal Kingdom, this is something that would re-energize me about Florida's largest employer.

Joe
Great_Ump

Re: New For 2012: The List by MABrider MABrider Profile at 3/17/11 12:48:09 PM

> While I love WDW there isn't much to go back and see once
> you've hit the parks.
> Joe
> Great_Ump

Young children would love to be repeat visitors.
Older adults, too. The ones without young children in tow!
After all, said adults often revert back to child-like ways.
Yours truly included!

Mike B. (who last visited WDW in Sept 2006; getting that urge again)

Re: New For 2012: The List by RobLec RobLec Profile at 3/17/11 2:10:33 PM

> Mike B. (who last visited WDW in Sept 2006; getting that urge again)

Sounds about right. We try to revisit each of the Florida and Virginia parks about every five years, rotating of course.

Re: New For 2012: The List by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 3/20/11 12:54:10 AM

> I'd love to see the Beastly Kingdom concept brought back.
> Whether it'd be the rumored 5th park geared towards the
> Darker side of Disney with a Villians-only concept and
> Disney's "Thrill Park" to rival IOA, or simply an
> expansion within the Animal Kingdom, this is something that
> would re-energize me about Florida's largest employer.

> Joe
> Great_Ump

Oooh, now that idea I really like. One can only hope they have stuff more geared for the teens.

Not sure if just the villains can anchor an entire park, but now that Disney owns the rights to Marvel comics, they have some potential for marketing/rides. Obviously IOA still has rights to some Marvel comics characters, but there's some other characters they haven't used like Iron man. they could get Vekoma build a launching invert coaster like the BSG one at Universal Studios Singapore.
Right now the only good ideas i can think of are mainly roller coasters.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 4/12/11 4:15:56 PM

Perhaps the writer of this article should have checked out this message board first...

Odd timing for an article about 2012 attractions. But either way, 2012 is shaping up to be a big year in the industry.

LA Times - Top 12 for 2012

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/13/11 3:16:51 PM

Updated 5-13-11 with the confirmation of Verbolten, BGW's 2012 coaster.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 6/8/11 7:04:29 PM

Updated 6-8-11.

Moved Dollywood from 'Rumored' to 'Semi-Confirmed' with the recent development of blue B&M track being spotted on site.

Removed Kentucky Kingdom from list, as 2012 does not look realistic for park to re-open.

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 6/8/11 8:41:07 PM

> Updated 6-8-11.

> Moved Dollywood from 'Rumored' to 'Semi-Confirmed' with the
> recent development of blue B&M track being spotted on site.

> Removed Kentucky Kingdom from list, as 2012 does not look
> realistic for park to re-open.

that's a shame for Kentucky Kingdom, and what's goin in at Dollywood?

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 6/8/11 11:22:38 PM

> that's a shame for Kentucky Kingdom, and what's goin in at
> Dollywood?

Nobody seems to know anything about Dollywood. All I know is that B&M track is on site and the park claims that whatever they are building, it's the first of its kind in the U.S.

I'm thinking wing-rider. ???

Re: New For 2012 by cpman at 6/12/11 3:30:50 PM

I'm not saying CedarPoint won't get a new ride, although i highly doubt it's going to be a rollercoaster. I live near CedarPoint and whenever they plan something big they always start off by clearing room.So far i have seen not one construction truck at all not even a bulldozer. Although if they do build a rollercoaster which its about time these would be the order in the makers I thinke they would use.
1.Bolliger & Mabillard
2.Intamin AG
3.Arrow Dynamics
The reason I put Bolliger & Mabillard at 1 is because that's where they have had their most success. The Raptor was and is still one of the most popular rides. Also the Mantis it is a very good ride although not a very long line que. Another reason i didn't put Intamin AG at #1 is because so iv'e heard their 5 coaster contract with cedar point is up with the completion of Shoot The Rapids in 2010. My personal preference for the next ride is Arrow Dynamics as you all know they built the Magnum which is one good ride, and broke world records.

- If any of these companies listed above are currently closed please post a reply to let me know thanks.
-Cpman

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 6/12/11 5:04:37 PM

> that's a shame for Kentucky Kingdom, and what's goin in at
> Dollywood?

> Nobody seems to know anything about Dollywood. All I know
> is that B&M track is on site and the park claims that
> whatever they are building, it's the first of its kind in
> the U.S.

> I'm thinking wing-rider. ???

yeah I would assume that first as well! That would be awesome if it's true!

@ cpman, arrow dynamics is not in business anymore I believe. I could be wrong though. I know for a fact both Intamin and B&M are still doing well.

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 6/12/11 6:16:29 PM

> - If any of these companies listed above are currently
> closed please post a reply to let me know thanks.
> -Cpman

Arrow is no longer in business, and was bought out by S&S.

-Josh

Re: New For 2012 by cpman at 6/12/11 6:24:12 PM

Alright i checked into it and they did go bankrupt in 2002 but were then bought quickly. They are now S&S who constructed Skyhawk at Cedar Point.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 7/31/11 6:33:05 PM

Updated 7-31-11, with changes to SFA, SFGAm, Holiday World, and the additions of two more Cedar Fair parks.

Looking forward to updating it this week with the announcements at Hersheypark and Holiday World.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/1/11 11:03:12 AM

According to Screamscape, Canada's Wonderland is getting a gigacoaster?? Do I need to renew my passport for 2012?

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/1/11 11:07:15 AM

Be prepared to change SFGAm. Today they announce the new ride.

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/1/11 11:14:39 AM

> According to Screamscape, Canada's Wonderland is getting a
> gigacoaster?? Do I need to renew my passport for
> 2012?

Screamscape isn't the most reliable resourse, but you could count on it.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/1/11 11:22:05 AM

> Be prepared to change SFGAm. Today they announce the new
> ride.

Keeping my phone handy all day.

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/1/11 11:30:16 AM

> Be prepared to change SFGAm. Today they announce the new
> ride.

> Keeping my phone handy all day.

Once six flags announces it im posting it super fast on sfgamworld.com and ultimaterollercoaster. You keep the phone handy I'll keep the links handy.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/1/11 11:43:06 AM

> Once six flags announces it im posting it super fast on
> sfgamworld.com and ultimaterollercoaster. You keep the
> phone handy I'll keep the links handy.

Sounds good. I'm actually in Chicago right now. Heading back east tomorrow. I'll be at SFGAm next year for sure.

SFGAm, Hersheypark, Holiday World making announcements this week. Canada's Wonderland within the next two.

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/1/11 12:18:47 PM

> Once six flags announces it im posting it super fast on
> sfgamworld.com and ultimaterollercoaster. You keep the
> phone handy I'll keep the links handy.

> Sounds good. I'm actually in Chicago right now. Heading
> back east tomorrow. I'll be at SFGAm next year for sure.

> SFGAm, Hersheypark, Holiday World making announcements this
> week. Canada's Wonderland within the next two.

gotta keep my eye on this thread! can't wait to see those announcements! so stoked for Hershey. Gonna try and get back there soon :D

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/1/11 1:21:50 PM

New For SFGAm...Eagle running backwards again!

TAKEN FROM SFGAm's FACEBOOK:

Here’s our big announcement:

Go Big, Go Backwards! The American Eagle will thrill and surprise park visitors once again as the blue side races BACKWARDS! Join us for this can’t miss experience. The American Eagle runs backwards August 8 through September 17.

If you liked guessing this announcement, just wait until later this fall...

Im still not giving up on a new coaster though :)

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Re: New For 2012 by BuschGardensVAFan at 8/1/11 3:10:51 PM

Busch Gardens VA will have a coaster in 2012 it should be cool

Re: New For 2012 by nniicckk at 8/1/11 6:26:31 PM

Good News, I recently had gotten back from cedar point, and while their I got to talk with the manager, and while a major storm went through he told me all about CP's plan for next summer, he said, "yes we are planning a new coaster for 2012, I can't tell you what kind, but i can assure you it will be big... Its location will be somewhere over by wildcat and millenium" I was so excited when he said this!

Re: New For 2012 by BigShotRoz BigShotRoz Profile at 8/1/11 7:26:25 PM

> Good News, I recently had gotten back from cedar point, and
> while their I got to talk with the manager, and while a
> major storm went through he told me all about CP's plan for
> next summer, he said, "yes we are planning a new
> coaster for 2012, I can't tell you what kind, but i can
> assure you it will be big... Its location will be somewhere
> over by wildcat and millenium" I was so excited when
> he said this!

Who did you talk to? Dick Kinzel? John Hildebrandt? The only part I'm not skeptical about is the major storm: we've had a few of those in the last 10 days.

CP is more tight-lipped than the Manhattan Project ever was!

Re: New For 2012 by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 8/1/11 8:45:23 PM

I think they're tight lipped because I don't think they're getting anything. Wouldn't the logical location for a new ride be where Demon Drop was removed?

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/3/11 10:12:53 AM

Updated 8-3-11 with Hersheypark's new coaster, and the removal of Carowinds, as it seems they are not getting a roller coaster next year.

I'm hoping to add Holiday World to the "confirmed" list later today.

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 8/3/11 1:38:53 PM

Holiday World announced it's new ride for 2012. It's called Mammoth and it will be the world's longest water coaster. Looks like they chose a water park ride instead of a new roller coaster. What a disappointment.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/3/11 2:26:13 PM

> Holiday World announced it's new ride for 2012. It's called
> Mammoth and it will be the world's longest water coaster.
> Looks like they chose a water park ride instead of a new
> roller coaster. What a disappointment.

Weird. I totally get adding to the water park, as it seems to be the major draw for the GP. But you're right, it's a tad disappointing. I was anticipating a roller coaster too.

I guess I'll scratch them off this list...

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 8/3/11 7:35:35 PM

Yeah, I agree that HW's annoucement is a disappointment. You'd think that HW's unyielding water coaster fetish would've been quenched with Wildebeest's addition. Are they ever gonna have an adult steelie at HW? I'm not holding my breath.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/3/11 7:41:48 PM

> Yeah, I agree that HW's annoucement is a disappointment.
> You'd think that HW's unyielding water coaster fetish
> would've been quenched with Wildebeest's addition. Are they
> ever gonna have an adult steelie at HW? I'm not holding my
> breath.

Maybe next year. I filled out their online survey about steel coasters a few months ago. It seems to be in the plans.

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/6/11 12:32:14 PM

Might wanna add that Iron Wolf is leaving. Just annoucned on facebook.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/10/11 12:39:58 PM

Updated with new info on Canada's Wonderland and Six Flags New England. Six Flags seems to be moving coasters around again...

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/11/11 1:54:45 PM

>-- In the previous 'Intamin Mega-Lite Thought' thread, John Knotts wrote of a confirmed mega-lite coming to a surprise U.S. park in 2012. My guess is Holiday World. Could be Michigan's Adventure. Time will tell.

The mega-lite in Michigan's Adventure would be an awesome idea, BUT, I was jsut there a week ago and I didn't see anything outta place. BUT, I wasn't looking to hard.

That would be awesome though, I loved that little park.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/15/11 9:58:47 PM

Canada's Wonderland
-- Rumored to be a gigacoaster?? Awesome. Supports on site, and they look to be B&M ???

Confirmed by these photos to be B&M. This one could get interesting...

Photos courtesy of www.cwmainia.com

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/17/11 12:23:21 AM

Updated 8/17/11 to include the semi-confirmation of Deja Vu heading to Six Flags New England.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/18/11 9:34:03 AM

Updated 8/18/11

Leviathan at Canada's Wonderland. Very excited about this ride. It represents a lot of things (addressed in the Leviathan thread.)

Re: New For 2012 by looper77 at 8/18/11 11:01:23 PM

> Updated 8/18/11

> Leviathan at Canada's Wonderland. Very excited about this
> ride. It represents a lot of things (addressed in the
> Leviathan thread.)

Hey Drachen, if only this were the announcement that Hershey made two weeks ago. :-(

Clearly a hyper or giga coaster can be put into a park that seemingly lacks space. At Hershey, I don't believe space was the issue, either it's the park's lack of desire for serious thrills or the township, or both. Hershey could easily have put a coaster like Leviathan in the space where Fahrenheit is, leading out to the parking lot and back.

Oh well, I'll be "rushing" off to Canada's Wonderland instead...

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/18/11 11:37:48 PM

> Hey Drachen, if only this were the announcement that
> Hershey made two weeks ago. :-(

You know, it's funny. When I saw this announcement today, my first thought was, "This is what I wanted Hersheypark to build." It didn't have to be 300 feet tall. But a big B&M with a big drop, hills, and those heavenly B&M trains. It wasn't to be.

My fingers have been crossed since August 2nd that these new Intamin trains have lapbars. Still no word on that one...

> Clearly a hyper or giga coaster can be put into a park that
> seemingly lacks space. At Hershey, I don't believe space
> was the issue, either it's the park's lack of desire for
> serious thrills or the township, or both. Hershey could
> easily have put a coaster like Leviathan in the space where
> Fahrenheit is, leading out to the parking lot and back.

I don't think the township has anything to do with it, with the exception of height and where the coaster goes. But, as long as it stays with in the park's borders, there should be little opposition (besides the creek area...).

I'll try to stay positive about it. Maybe in 4 years, they can add a 300 foot hilly coaster for the same money they spent on Skyrush. Let's face it, a long hilly, mega-coaster is something, even after the Skyrush installation, that Hersheypark still lacks.

> Oh well, I'll be "rushing" off to Canada's
> Wonderland instead...

I will be riding Skyrush early and often. But if I was in California, Skyrush would not be very high on my 2012 list, unless early reviews came back very positive.

Check out my last post in the Hershey 2012 thread...

Hersheypark Plans for 2012

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 8/19/11 11:14:55 AM

Does anyone know when Dollywood is going to make their announcement for their 2012 coaster?

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/19/11 11:19:35 AM

Updated 8/19/11

Cedar Point announces Dinosaurs Alive!, a walk through attraction on Millenium Island. In addition, Paddlewheel Excursions will be retired, and Soak City will add a multi-lane mat racing water slide.

No new coaster for the 5th consecutive season. They gotta be buiding something big next year.

Either way, this will no get me to Cedar Point in 2012. I've been waiting for a new coaster to get me back.

I'm sure next year's ride will be a huge steel record breaker, which is great. But I'd love for CP to add a mid-sized wooden coaster too. Looks like that won't happen until 2014 at the soonest.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/19/11 11:20:20 AM

> Does anyone know when Dollywood is going to make their
> announcement for their 2012 coaster?

September 4th (listed above)

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/19/11 1:35:05 PM

Looking like there were some good accouncements so far this year. Not a monumental year but man does Leviathan look like a blast!

Been waiting for B&M to go up to the 300' mark. Wish it could have happened in NJ!

Haven't been to Dollywood yet, eager to see their announcement.

- mugen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/19/11 5:01:44 PM

> Been waiting for B&M to go up to the 300' mark. Wish it
> could have happened in NJ!

Like I said in the Hersheypark 2012 thread, when I saw the Leviathan announcement, my first thought was that I wish that was what Hersheypark was getting. It didn't have to be 300 feet tall, but a large B&M would have been perfect.

> Haven't been to Dollywood yet, eager to see their
> announcement.

Me too, though I'm pretty sure it's a wing-rider. (I think Six Flags Great America is getting one too.

Re: New For 2012 by Tomes at 8/20/11 2:15:35 PM

According to our good buddies at screamscape, Great America is getting that wing walker or whatever, from B&M.

Here is what I think:
They've gone so long without adding a GOOD coaster, They've lost Deja Vu (which was my 2nd or 3rd favorite in the park), and now they're REMOVING another coaster.. This better make up for it BIG TIME. I'm excited for the announcement. When is it?

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/20/11 5:34:57 PM

> According to our good buddies at screamscape, Great America
> is getting that wing walker or whatever, from B&M.

> Here is what I think:
> They've gone so long without adding a GOOD coaster, They've
> lost Deja Vu (which was my 2nd or 3rd favorite in the
> park), and now they're REMOVING another coaster.. This
> better make up for it BIG TIME. I'm excited for the
> announcement. When is it?

X-Flight is the rumored name. I've heard word that an announcement will come in mid September.

I'm happy to see SFGAm finaly get a major coaster next year. I'm doubly excited to see a B&M wing-rider. I hope to make it there next year.

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/20/11 9:07:59 PM

> According to our good buddies at screamscape, Great America
> is getting that wing walker or whatever, from B&M.

> Here is what I think:
> They've gone so long without adding a GOOD coaster, They've
> lost Deja Vu (which was my 2nd or 3rd favorite in the
> park), and now they're REMOVING another coaster.. This
> better make up for it BIG TIME. I'm excited for the
> announcement. When is it?

> X-Flight is the rumored name. I've heard word that an
> announcement will come in mid September.

> I'm happy to see SFGAm finaly get a major coaster next
> year. I'm doubly excited to see a B&M wing-rider. I hope to
> make it there next year.

Just checked their line up and yeah, looks like they could use another ride. I hate it when rides get relocated but I guess I can't complain (Green Lantern). Then again, they could relocate that stupid grey box at Great Adventure....

Anyways, a wing rider sounds awesome! I'm stoked for it. I'm always for variety, so having a "new" type of coaster around is not a bad thing at all! Plus SFGAman will be happy!

- mugen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/20/11 10:39:03 PM

> Anyways, a wing rider sounds awesome! I'm stoked for it.
> I'm always for variety, so having a "new" type of
> coaster around is not a bad thing at all! Plus SFGAman will
> be happy!

New breeds of coasters are always good, especially in your case. In the not-do-distant future, I expect to see a wing rider at Great Adventure (the B&M Capital of the World).

Cedar Point has to be getting one next year too. It makes too much sense for them. The wing-riders are going to be the next big B&M thing, much like their floorless loopers.

In addition to a wing-rider boom, I'd love to see more dive machines show up too. Maybe CP can build a 350 foot one of them...

Re: New For 2012 by Jorge112596 at 8/21/11 3:01:23 PM

I bet cedar fair is going to hook up knots berry farm with a B&M Giga coaster, like they did with Canada's wonderland with leviathan

Knotts berry farm 2012 B&M Giga

About 330 ft

Higher speeds than 100 mph

Over 6000 ft in length

85 degree drop

Re: New For 2012 by GSutton at 8/21/11 4:51:32 PM

Can anyone explain why there's never been a "screamin' squirrel" installed anywhere in the U.S. (as far as I know...)? I understand that they are very competatively priced and would be great for a limited space park. In addition, they give a very unique skyline due to their strange design. I also have thought of a "midway"-type themed area in a large park with about 8-10 very extreme, unique rides that you see so often at European fairs and festivals. A "screaming squirrel" could be part of this line-up as well. I believe this major addition would go over very well and with that many rides would certainly cover the PPH issue. And the lights and colors at nighttime...Wow !!!

Re: New For 2012 by Tomes at 8/21/11 6:31:38 PM

I'm just kind of worried that it will be a wing walker or whatever it's called, but it won't be very impressive. Kind of like the Raptor in Gardaland, it looks fun, but Great America needs something better to make up for the loss of 2 coasters..

I don't like relocations of coasters because they advertise them as new coasters in their new parks, and if you've already ridden them before then it's not an exciting addition. Two exceptions are Green Lantern and Dominator, both which I probably would not have ridden at their previous locations and was fortunate enough to ride on the same trip. Both were awesome.

I've also already given up on St. Louis... which sucks because it's my home park.

Jorge where did you get those stats about Knotts Berry Farm's ride? According to RCDB it's going to be closer to 350 and like you said have an 85º drop and be very long.. I also thought it was going to be an intamin, but we'll have to wait and see.

Dive machines are AMAZING, and since the only 2 are on the east coast, it would be nice to see them pop up in other areas.. But I doubt Cedar Point would get one even thought if they did it would be awesome. The reason I'm saying that is because they've had so much success with their Intamin coasters, and they always try to be ahead of other parks, not behind, so they are more likely to try new types of coasters than copy old ones and just make them bigger.

Mugen - the "stupid gray box" you mean the dark knight? lol! When I first rode it in GAm I was pleasantly surprised! But now I rode it in GAdv and it seems like it hasn't been kept very well, so all the effects aren't working like the hollograms and stuff.. But I think it's a good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

There are SO many types of roller coasters especially by companies like S&S and Maurer Söhne that haven't made it to the states, or at least not to the big parks that I would like to see being built, like the extended sky loop, etc. We'll have to wait and see.

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/21/11 7:01:00 PM

> I'm just kind of worried that it will be a wing walker or
> whatever it's called, but it won't be very impressive. Kind
> of like the Raptor in Gardaland, it looks fun, but Great
> America needs something better to make up for the loss of 2
> coasters..

> I don't like relocations of coasters because they advertise
> them as new coasters in their new parks, and if you've
> already ridden them before then it's not an exciting
> addition. Two exceptions are Green Lantern and Dominator,
> both which I probably would not have ridden at their
> previous locations and was fortunate enough to ride on the
> same trip. Both were awesome.

> I've also already given up on St. Louis... which sucks
> because it's my home park.

> Jorge where did you get those stats about Knotts Berry
> Farm's ride? According to RCDB it's going to be closer to
> 350 and like you said have an 85º drop and be very long..
> I also thought it was going to be an intamin, but we'll
> have to wait and see.

> Dive machines are AMAZING, and since the only 2 are on the
> east coast, it would be nice to see them pop up in other
> areas.. But I doubt Cedar Point would get one even thought
> if they did it would be awesome. The reason I'm saying that
> is because they've had so much success with their Intamin
> coasters, and they always try to be ahead of other parks,
> not behind, so they are more likely to try new types of
> coasters than copy old ones and just make them bigger.

> Mugen - the "stupid gray box" you mean the dark
> knight? lol! When I first rode it in GAm I was pleasantly
> surprised! But now I rode it in GAdv and it seems like it
> hasn't been kept very well, so all the effects aren't
> working like the hollograms and stuff.. But I think it's a
> good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

> There are SO many types of roller coasters especially by
> companies like S&S and Maurer Söhne that haven't made it
> to the states, or at least not to the big parks that I
> would like to see being built, like the extended sky loop,
> etc. We'll have to wait and see.

LOL, yeah I meant The Dark Knight. I would have rather had them put in a pendulum swinging flat than that thing. It's such a waste of space in my eyes. I rode it once and I won't ever again.
Just not worth any wait, and not worth the money they spent.

Also, about the wingriders, I can see how they aren't groundbreaking and definitely not record breakers but to me it's great to have variety. I think wingriders, dive machines, eurofighters, ect. should definitely be on Six Flags and Cedar Fair's to do list for the next couple of years.

I don't need a record breaker to be happy (although they are nice!) I like when "quality" rides are put in. Something the park may be in need of, or something that is unique with the terrain, or something that the park doesn't have yet. Wingriders fit that imo. I would love for Great Adventure to get one next year, but that probly isn't going to happen :(

- mugen

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 8/22/11 10:21:14 AM

But I think it's a
> good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

Yeah. The others are good. And fun.

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/22/11 11:01:13 AM

> Can anyone explain why there's never been a "screamin'
> squirrel" installed anywhere in the U.S. (as far as I
> know...)?

From what I hear, they are a terribly uncomfortable ride experience, from the restraints to the forces exerted on the body.

Add to that the fact that S&S's steel coasters (and some flats) aren't the most reliable rides. Both factors contribute to the Screamin' Squirrel not catching on.

Their "El Loco" rides are a blast though. I'd love to see more of those.

Re: New For 2012 Photo Icon by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/22/11 11:49:36 AM

Oh god. Proof that SFGAm has somthing new for next year.

Notice they did the same "puzzle solving" thing for Riptide Bay last year.

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Re: New For 2012 by Jorge112596 at 8/22/11 4:57:57 PM

> I'm just kind of worried that it will be a wing walker or
> whatever it's called, but it won't be very impressive. Kind
> of like the Raptor in Gardaland, it looks fun, but Great
> America needs something better to make up for the loss of 2
> coasters..

> I don't like relocations of coasters because they advertise
> them as new coasters in their new parks, and if you've
> already ridden them before then it's not an exciting
> addition. Two exceptions are Green Lantern and Dominator,
> both which I probably would not have ridden at their
> previous locations and was fortunate enough to ride on the
> same trip. Both were awesome.

> I've also already given up on St. Louis... which sucks
> because it's my home park.

> Jorge where did you get those stats about Knotts Berry
> Farm's ride? According to RCDB it's going to be closer to
> 350 and like you said have an 85º drop and be very long..
> I also thought it was going to be an intamin, but we'll
> have to wait and see.

> Dive machines are AMAZING, and since the only 2 are on the
> east coast, it would be nice to see them pop up in other
> areas.. But I doubt Cedar Point would get one even thought
> if they did it would be awesome. The reason I'm saying that
> is because they've had so much success with their Intamin
> coasters, and they always try to be ahead of other parks,
> not behind, so they are more likely to try new types of
> coasters than copy old ones and just make them bigger.

> Mugen - the "stupid gray box" you mean the dark
> knight? lol! When I first rode it in GAm I was pleasantly
> surprised! But now I rode it in GAdv and it seems like it
> hasn't been kept very well, so all the effects aren't
> working like the hollograms and stuff.. But I think it's a
> good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

> There are SO many types of roller coasters especially by
> companies like S&S and Maurer Söhne that haven't made it
> to the states, or at least not to the big parks that I
> would like to see being built, like the extended sky loop,
> etc. We'll have to wait and see.

> LOL, yeah I meant The Dark Knight. I would have rather had
> them put in a pendulum swinging flat than that thing. It's
> such a waste of space in my eyes. I rode it once and I
> won't ever again.
> Just not worth any wait, and not worth the money they
> spent.

> Also, about the wingriders, I can see how they aren't
> groundbreaking and definitely not record breakers but to me
> it's great to have variety. I think wingriders, dive
> machines, eurofighters, ect. should definitely be on Six
> Flags and Cedar Fair's to do list for the next couple of
> years.

> I don't need a record breaker to be happy (although they
> are nice!) I like when "quality" rides are put
> in. Something the park may be in need of, or something that
> is unique with the terrain, or something that the park
> doesn't have yet. Wingriders fit that imo. I would love for
> Great Adventure to get one next year, but that probly isn't
> going to happen :(

> - mugen

>
my bad it is going to be like a 340 to 350 ft

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/22/11 5:35:00 PM

> But I think it's a
> good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

> Yeah. The others are good. And fun.

> Mike
>

Well played.

You should be grateful for Dark Knight. It's at least keeping the people waiting for it out of line for the rest of the rides.

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 8/22/11 10:25:20 PM

> Mugen - the "stupid gray box" you mean the dark
> knight? lol! When I first rode it in GAm I was pleasantly
> surprised! But now I rode it in GAdv and it seems like it
> hasn't been kept very well, so all the effects aren't
> working like the hollograms and stuff.. But I think it's a
> good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

They have special effects at SFGAm?! They were NEVER effects at SFGAdv - there was a strobe light and a neon joker face somewhere - that's all I remember. The pre-ride was seriously the best part of it (and it used to be freezing in that room, which was nice in the summer). That was the ride I have been most disappointed in after all the hype. I get angry just walking by it...

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 8/22/11 10:27:23 PM

> You should be grateful for Dark Knight. It's at least
> keeping the people waiting for it out of line for the rest
> of the rides.

I actually feel sorry for the people on line - they have no idea that they are losing precious time they can never get back. :-)

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/23/11 9:26:58 AM

> But I think it's a
> good contrast from the rest of their coasters.

> Yeah. The others are good. And fun.

> Mike
> > Well played.

> You should be grateful for Dark Knight. It's at least
> keeping the people waiting for it out of line for the rest
> of the rides.

Dark knight is one of the worst rides ever. It loats slow, lines are always long, and its just a mack wild mouse in the dark. Nothing really special about it.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/24/11 5:15:21 PM

It's not a roller coaster, and Carowinds isn't due for a new one by any means, but I figured that I could keep a running tab of all of 2012's new major attractions.

Today Carowinds announced Wind Seeker, a copy of the rides installed at Cedar Point, Kings Island, Knott's, and Canada's Wonderland.

I have no problem with any of these additions, as they look to be pretty cool rides. It would be neat to see one of these at each of Cedar Fair's parks, even if the parks with height restrictions have to limit them to 200 feet.

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 8/24/11 7:44:33 PM

I agree that Windseekers are great additions. They are very mild rides (though if height bothers you, or spinning gets to you, then it would bump up the thrill) but they are extremely relaxing with amazing views. And the light package on these things are almost as fun to watch as end-of-the-night fireworks! Best light package I've ever seen on a ride.

-Josh

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/25/11 4:17:10 PM

> I agree that Windseekers are great additions. They are very
> mild rides (though if height bothers you, or spinning gets
> to you, then it would bump up the thrill) but they are
> extremely relaxing with amazing views. And the light
> package on these things are almost as fun to watch as
> end-of-the-night fireworks! Best light package I've ever
> seen on a ride.

> -Josh

For me they look like an AMAZING RIDE. I would love to be 200+ or 300+ feet and be swinging like that. What's even cooler is the two seaters. (not sure if they are all like that) It allows couples to ride together! Pretty cool if you ask me. ;)

- mugen

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 8/25/11 6:13:42 PM

> For me they look like an AMAZING RIDE. I would love to be
> 200+ or 300+ feet and be swinging like that. What's even
> cooler is the two seaters. (not sure if they are all like
> that) It allows couples to ride together! Pretty cool if
> you ask me. ;)

> - mugen

What would be even cooler is if they let you use a camera on it - imagine the amazing photos you could get. (I understand why they don't, just saying....)

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 8/25/11 6:33:56 PM

> For me they look like an AMAZING RIDE. I would love to be
> 200+ or 300+ feet and be swinging like that. What's even
> cooler is the two seaters. (not sure if they are all like
> that) It allows couples to ride together! Pretty cool if
> you ask me. ;)

> - mugen

> What would be even cooler is if they let you use a camera
> on it - imagine the amazing photos you could get. (I
> understand why they don't, just saying....)

> Jen

On-ride photos on Windseeker would be dangerous. Yes, it's only 30mph, but if the camera would drop, it would do major damage if it hit someone. That, and it would be very difficult to get good pictures from up there due to the constant movement. Not saying it would be impossible, but difficult. Both KI and CP already have fantastic aerial photo-ops. Carowinds has an okay high-up place for pics, but they have to be taken through glass, which can take away from any pics. Idk about Canada's Wonderland or Knotts.

-Josh

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 8/25/11 6:54:14 PM

> What would be even cooler is if they let you use a camera
> on it - imagine the amazing photos you could get. (I
> understand why they don't, just saying....)

> Jen

> On-ride photos on Windseeker would be dangerous. Yes, it's
> only 30mph, but if the camera would drop, it would do major
> damage if it hit someone. That, and it would be very
> difficult to get good pictures from up there due to the
> constant movement. Not saying it would be impossible, but
> difficult. Both KI and CP already have fantastic aerial
> photo-ops. Carowinds has an okay high-up place for pics,
> but they have to be taken through glass, which can take
> away from any pics. Idk about Canada's Wonderland or
> Knotts.

> -Josh

I know and agree with everything you've said - I was just thinking how awesome those pics would be. Not that I would ever take my professional grade camera to an amusement park anyway, my little compact one gets beat up enough while I'm there. I just love unique photographs but obviously safety comes first.

Does anyone know if parks give permission to "regular" people to photograph/ take video on rides or is it just professionals?

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 8/26/11 2:05:12 PM

> What would be even cooler is if they let you use a camera
> on it - imagine the amazing photos you could get. (I
> understand why they don't, just saying....)

> Jen

> On-ride photos on Windseeker would be dangerous. Yes, it's
> only 30mph, but if the camera would drop, it would do major
> damage if it hit someone. That, and it would be very
> difficult to get good pictures from up there due to the
> constant movement. Not saying it would be impossible, but
> difficult. Both KI and CP already have fantastic aerial
> photo-ops. Carowinds has an okay high-up place for pics,
> but they have to be taken through glass, which can take
> away from any pics. Idk about Canada's Wonderland or
> Knotts.

> -Josh

> I know and agree with everything you've said - I was just
> thinking how awesome those pics would be. Not that I would
> ever take my professional grade camera to an amusement park
> anyway, my little compact one gets beat up enough while I'm
> there. I just love unique photographs but obviously safety
> comes first.

> Does anyone know if parks give permission to
> "regular" people to photograph/ take video on
> rides or is it just professionals?

> Jen

I know TPR get's to take footage all the time but I guess you can consider them "professionals". It depends on the policy though. Rob Alvey has had a camcorder taped to his hand in a video I've seen, so no clue how they let him do that.

As for the whole "can't take pictures while in motion." Not true at all. All I gotta say about that.

I was thinking about making a thread with all the decent pictures I've taken this year. Might do that later.

Back to the thread topic though, has anyone seen the pictures on facebook of the dueling coaster's at the new Happy Valley in China? They look amazing! I'd link you guys to it but work blocks facebook :(

- mnugen

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 8/26/11 2:15:14 PM

> As for the whole "can't take pictures while in
> motion." Not true at all. All I gotta say about that.

And who said that? All I said is that it would be difficult to get decent shots given the constant, fast, rotation.

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 8/28/11 3:42:06 PM

A little update for whats going on over at SFGAm

http://bizhost.headfirstconcept.netdna-cdn.com/ga2/5370fdd82fa9686cbeaba4839b2cf173.jpg?nocache=20110828120412

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/30/11 10:31:14 AM

Quote from Six Flags Twitter feed:

"Big announcements coming Thursday. Get ready."

Notice it says "announcements". Looking forward to Thursday.

Re: New For 2012 by Tomes at 8/30/11 1:27:54 PM

> Notice it says
> "announcements". Looking
> forward to Thursday.
>

Yeah, there are at least two: one of them is the removal of Iron wolf, and the other one is hopefully the addition of a good new roller coaster.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 8/30/11 2:40:33 PM

> Notice it says
> "announcements". Looking
> forward to Thursday.
> > Yeah, there are at least two: one of them is the
> removal of Iron wolf, and the other one is hopefully the
> addition of a good new roller coaster.

Nah, I'm reasonably sure the second one is the re-installation of IW at SFA, as has been rumored and floated. I'm probably not getting my twin racing coaster in the woods over the river behind Nitro..at least not next year:(

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/30/11 2:46:36 PM

> Notice it says
> "announcements". Looking
> forward to Thursday.
Yeah, there are at least two: one of them is the
> removal of Iron wolf, and the other one is hopefully the
> addition of a good new roller coaster.

I think you mean one of them is the addition of Iron Wolf to Six Flags America. It's already been announced that it is leaving Great America.

I think another announcement is the new coaster for Great America. We'll see what else Six Flags is up to, besides the relocation of Deja Vu to Six Flags New England. That may be announced as well.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 8/31/11 11:18:04 AM

Updated 8/31 with the announcement of Stinger at Dorney Park.

While I think it's lame that Dorney is getting a third hand-me-down from Cedar Fair, I do enjoy the Vekoma Invertigo model, and they don't take up a ton of real estate.

I'm ok with this addition... so long as that GCI coaster gets comes soon.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 8/31/11 11:47:40 AM

>> I'm ok with this addition... so long as that GCI coaster
> gets comes soon.

I can count on a few fingers the inverted boomerangs I've been on..off the top of my head, only Face-Off (KI) and Two-Face (SFA) come to mind..there might be a couple of others. I like 'em better than the traditional boomerang coasters, but that may be damning with faint praise. That said, I'll ride it next season. It'll be a new one for me, and if it removes a few folks from Talon's line, all the better. I think the logo is rather cartoonish and tame, but hey, I'm not riding a logo.

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by Tomes at 8/31/11 12:00:07 PM

> Notice it says
> "announcements". Looking
> forward to Thursday.
> Yeah, there are at least two: one of them is the
> removal of Iron wolf, and the other one is hopefully the
> addition of a good new roller coaster.

> I think you mean one of them is the addition of Iron Wolf
> to Six Flags America. It's already been announced that it
> is leaving Great America.

> I think the another announcement is the new coaster for
> Great America. I don't know what else Six Flags is up to,
> besides the relocation of Deja Vu to Six Flags New England.
> That may be announced as well.
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My Bad - I thought you guys were saying Six Flags Great America had announcements, so I was thinking one would be the removal of Iron Wolf and the other would be the addition of a new "wing walker" coaster or whatever..

But anyway, yeah - Six Flags better have some announcements. I don't think New Jersey will be getting another set of twin coasters, unless it took down Rolling Thunder...

Also - is everyone else as disappointed in Magic mountain over the past 6 years as I am?! I don't know who they are trying to cater to, but it's certainly not to thrill riders. Sorry but the last good addition was tatsu. Before that was Deja Vu and X. Now they're removing Deja Vu and all they put in last year was the "green lantern" which is like a 30 second, medium thrill ride...

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 8/31/11 6:08:45 PM

SFGAdv put out a tease on FB and showed parts of an e-mail that were supposedly sent between the FB person and management. It said something like "OMG! It's so crazy that Fantasy Forest will be totally transformed in the process" and "did you hear about the insane new feature we're adding to our speed slides in Hurricane Harbor?"

The announcement is tomorrow so we'll see but I don't care about Hurricane Harbor and I'm more than skeptical about the Fantasy Forest comment. But a Drop Tower or Frisbee would be awesome there...

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by John_Knotts John_Knotts Profile at 9/1/11 2:05:59 AM

September 1, 2011, 3:30 a.m.

Six Flags unveiled its 2012 lineup of new roller coasters, thrill rides, water slides and live shows at the amusement park chain's 12 North American locations.

New Six Flags President and Chief Executive Jim Reid-Anderson said a full slate of new additions would become an annual event, promising to add a new attraction at "every Six Flags park every year."

Six Flags' 2012 attractions include two new roller coasters, two relocated coasters, three tower rides, three water slide complexes and at least one show.

Among the highlights:

Six Flags Great America (outside Chicago) – Billed as the only wing coaster in the United States, X-Flight by Bolliger & Mabillard will feature barrel rolls and high-speed drops with seats that straddle the 3,000-foot-long track.

Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (Northern California) – The Superman: Ultimate Flight launch coaster will rocket riders at 60 miles per hour through a towering 150-foot-high inversion and a pair of vertical twists.

Six Flags Magic Mountain (Southern California) – The Lex Luthor: Drop of Doom drop tower will be attached to both sides of the park's 415-foot-tall Superman: Escape from Krypton coaster tower. The new thrill ride will rank as the world’s tallest (400 feet) and fastest (85 mph) drop tower.

Six Flags Great Adventure (New Jersey) and Six Flags Fiesta Texas (San Antonio) – Both parks will install Sky Screamer swing towers for 2012. Six Flags built Sky Screamers of varying heights at Six Flags St. Louis (236 feet) and Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (150 feet) in 2011. No word yet on the ride heights at Great Adventure and Fiesta Texas.

Six Flags America (outside Washington D.C.) – The 100-foot-tall Apocalypse stand-up coaster will travel at 55 mph through a loop and a corkscrew along a 2,900-foot-long track. The 1990 Bolliger & Mabillard coaster, formerly known as Iron Wolf, will be relocated from Six Flags Great America near Chicago.

Six Flags New England (Massachusetts) – The 192-foot-tall Goliath inverted boomerang coaster will travel forward and backward at 65 mph through a cobra roll and a loop along a 1,200-foot-long track. The 2001 Vekoma coaster, formerly known as Deja Vu, will be relocated from Six Flags Magic Mountain near Los Angeles.

Six Flags St. Louis (Missouri) and Six Flags Great Adventure (New Jersey) – Both parks will add a Bonzai Pipeline looping water slide to their respective Hurricane Harbor water parks.

Great Escape (New York) – The Nordic-themed Alpine Freefalls water slide complex will be added to the Great Escape's Splashwater Kingdom water park.

Six Flags Over Georgia (Atlanta) – A 45th anniversary tribute show will join the park's entertainment lineup.

Six Flags Over Texas (Dallas/Ft. Worth), Six Flags Fiesta Texas (San Antonio), Six Flags Mexico (Mexico City) and La Ronde (Montreal) – Each of the parks will add a still-undisclosed ride, attraction or show in 2012.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/1/11 7:56:27 AM

Thanks! I'll get busy back up top...

> September 1, 2011, 3:30 a.m.

> New Six Flags President and Chief Executive Jim
> Reid-Anderson said a full slate of new additions would
> become an annual event, promising to add a new attraction
> at "every Six Flags park every year."

Very good to hear.

> Among the highlights:

> Six Flags Great America (outside Chicago) – Billed as the
> only wing coaster in the United States, X-Flight by
> Bolliger & Mabillard will feature barrel rolls and
> high-speed drops with seats that straddle the
> 3,000-foot-long track.

Awesome, but I think it will only be the first if it opens before Dollywood's ride next spring.

> Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (Northern California) – The
> Superman: Ultimate Flight launch coaster will rocket riders
> at 60 miles per hour through a towering 150-foot-high
> inversion and a pair of vertical twists.

Out of left field! This was on pretty much no one's radar, and it sounds exciting. No manufacturer yet, but it looks like and extended version of those X-car coasters from Maurer Sohne. It also looks like it could be Premier. I can't really tell from the images.

> Six Flags Magic Mountain (Southern California) – The Lex
> Luthor: Drop of Doom drop tower will be attached to both
> sides of the park's 415-foot-tall Superman: Escape from
> Krypton coaster tower. The new thrill ride will rank as the
> world’s tallest (400 feet) and fastest (85 mph) drop
> tower.

This is awesome news. Slow capacity for sure at 8 riders per side, but I like that they did two rides on the side of this tower. The Lex Luthor theme seems appropriate. Great move by Six Flags, and Magic Mountain.

> Six Flags Great Adventure (New Jersey) and Six Flags Fiesta
> Texas (San Antonio) – Both parks will install Sky
> Screamer swing towers for 2012.
> No word yet on the ride heights at Great Adventure and
> Fiesta Texas.

The video claims 150 ft for Great Adventure's and 200 ft for Fiesta Texas. I thought SFGAdv's would be the taller of the two, but it's actually shorter. I hope it doesn't mean the end of the parachute jump...

> Six Flags America (outside Washington D.C.) – The
> 100-foot-tall Apocalypse stand-up coaster will travel at 55
> mph through a loop and a corkscrew along a 2,900-foot-long
> track. The 1990 Bolliger & Mabillard coaster, formerly
> known as Iron Wolf, will be relocated from Six Flags Great
> America near Chicago.

We knew this one was coming. As I've said before, I'm glad the ride was saved, and I think it will be a good addition to Six Flags America.

> Six Flags New England (Massachusetts) – The 192-foot-tall
> Goliath inverted boomerang coaster will travel forward and
> backward at 65 mph through a cobra roll and a loop along a
> 1,200-foot-long track. The 2001 Vekoma coaster, formerly
> known as Deja Vu, will be relocated from Six Flags Magic
> Mountain near Los Angeles.

I pretty much feel the same way about this ride as I do about Apocalypse at SFA. Nice ride, and solid addition. Odd that Magic Mountain gave up the coaster crown so easily.

> Six Flags St. Louis (Missouri) and Six Flags Great
> Adventure (New Jersey) – Both parks will add a Bonzai
> Pipeline looping water slide to their respective Hurricane
> Harbor water parks.

I may have to actually check out Hurricane Harbor next year.

Only a few more announcements to go...

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Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 9/1/11 8:36:47 AM

Is a Sky Screamer the type of swing ride personified by Barnstormer at Dollywood and Skyhawk at CP? Or is it an up-charge deal like Screaming Swing at Dorney?

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/1/11 9:32:13 AM

> Is a Sky Screamer the type of swing ride personified by
> Barnstormer at Dollywood and Skyhawk at CP? Or is it an
> up-charge deal like Screaming Swing at Dorney?

It shouldn't be an up-charge attraction. That would be dumb.

It most closely resembles the Windseekers at the Cedar Fair parks. Those rides are manufactured by Mondial and are 301 feet tall.

The Sky Screamers (model name Star Flyer) are shorter, use chains to connect the swings to the arms, and are manufactured by a company called Fun Time.

I'm glad Great Adventure is getting one, but I just wish it was taller than 150 ft. I'm really surprised by that.

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/1/11 9:32:23 AM

> Six Flags Great Adventure (New Jersey) and Six Flags Fiesta
> Texas (San Antonio) – Both parks will install Sky
> Screamer swing towers for 2012.
> No word yet on the ride heights at Great Adventure and
> Fiesta Texas.

> The video claims 150 ft for Great Adventure's and 200 ft
> for Fiesta Texas. I thought SFGAdv's would be the taller of
> the two, but it's actually shorter. I hope it doesn't mean
> the end of the parachute jump...

Probably not - it's going in the Fantasy Forest area (by the Ferris Wheel/Skull Mountain area) and Parachute Perch is over my GL/Superman in the Boardwalk area.

They also said their Bumper cars and the Scrambler were coming back - YAY! to some flats!

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/1/11 9:34:07 AM

> Is a Sky Screamer the type of swing ride personified by
> Barnstormer at Dollywood and Skyhawk at CP? Or is it an
> up-charge deal like Screaming Swing at Dorney?

> Mike

Here's the press release with pics - it looks like GIANT swings

http://news.sixflags.com/2012news/2011/08/26/greatadventure/

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/1/11 9:51:43 AM

In case anyone hasn't taken notice. There has yet to be a wooden coaster announced in the U.S. for 2012.

2010 only saw the resurrection of Little Dipper at Six Flags Great America.

2011 saw the construction of Wooden Warrior at Quassy, and the resurrection of Zippin' Pippin in Green Bay.

So far nothing for 2012. I hope Morey's comes through.

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/1/11 10:08:44 AM

> Six Flags St. Louis (Missouri) and Six Flags Great
> Adventure (New Jersey) – Both parks will add a Bonzai
> Pipeline looping water slide to their respective Hurricane
> Harbor water parks.

Where did you see that? On the GAdv press release it said they were adding drop boxes to the one slide (which actually sounds fun). It said nothing about a new looping water slide.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/1/11 10:13:16 AM

> Six Flags St. Louis (Missouri) and Six Flags Great
> Adventure (New Jersey) – Both parks will add a Bonzai
> Pipeline looping water slide to their respective Hurricane
> Harbor water parks.

> Where did you see that? On the GAdv press release it said
> they were adding drop boxes to the one slide (which
> actually sounds fun). It said nothing about a new looping
> water slide.

Well, I have yet to see it officially. I was just going by the apparent press release that John Knotts posted a few posts up. I don't see anything official for Hurricane Harbor at SFGAdv at this point.

Six Flags St. Louis does have the ride listed on their site. It's a 'drop-box' slide with a "loop", which is more like an overbanked turn. Great Adventure looks to be getting the same thing.

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/1/11 10:15:45 AM

> Six Flags St. Louis (Missouri) and Six Flags Great
> Adventure (New Jersey) – Both parks will add a Bonzai
> Pipeline looping water slide to their respective Hurricane
> Harbor water parks.

> Where did you see that? On the GAdv press release it said
> they were adding drop boxes to the one slide (which
> actually sounds fun). It said nothing about a new looping
> water slide.

> Well, I have yet to see it officially. I was just going by
> the apparent press release that John Knotts posted a few
> posts up. I don't see anything official for Hurricane
> Harbor at SFGAdv at this point.

Oops - replied to the wrong post. I meant it to be a response to John Knotts' original post.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/1/11 10:24:40 AM

"Flying" (pun intended) under the radar today...

Kings Dominion also announces a Windseeker ride, the 6th of these from Cedar Fair. This one will also be 301 ft tall.

They are also adding a Dinosaurs Alive! walk-through attraction next year. I hope these dinosaur things take off for them. This marks the third of these from Cedar Fair.

Re: New For 2012 by PkD4Life PkD4Life Profile at 9/1/11 10:26:36 AM

Kings Dominion's facebook page has annouced Wind Seeker and the Dinosaurs Alive attraction for 2012.

Also confirmed on the KD website. Windseeker will be 301 feet tall and sit where either El Dorado is or in that general area. My thought is it will be in the same spot since El Dorado has been places for sale.

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Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 9/1/11 1:11:17 PM

> Six Flags New England (Massachusetts) – The 192-foot-tall
> Goliath inverted boomerang coaster

Another Goliath, huh? I really wish one of these parks would build a junior coaster next to Goliath and call it David.

Mike

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by RobLec RobLec Profile at 9/1/11 2:54:32 PM

Without reading this entire thread, just thought I'd mention that I heard on the news that KI will announce their 2012 ride tomorrow 9/2 and said that it would be a major addition to celebrate the park's 40th anniversary.

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by drachen drachen Profile at 9/1/11 3:03:43 PM

> Without reading this entire thread, just thought I'd
> mention that I heard on the news that KI will announce
> their 2012 ride tomorrow 9/2 and said that it would be a
> major addition to celebrate the park's 40th anniversary.

That is great to hear. What else could it be?

When I look at Kings Island. They pretty much have every major ride, or a version thereof, that's on the market, with the exception of an inverted coaster.

Will this new major addition be for the waterpark?

I will continue to hold out hope that Son of Beast gets a Rocky Mountain face lift. I have my doubts though. From a business standpoint, the numbers just don't add up.

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by RobLec RobLec Profile at 9/1/11 3:30:58 PM

> I will continue to hold out hope that Son of Beast gets a
> Rocky Mountain face lift. I have my doubts though. From a
> business standpoint, the numbers just don't add up.
>

Word of mouth has it that the new (ex-Disney) CF CEO says it is too expensive to tear it down. One could infer that the ride will be "fixed" in one way or another. Only time will tell.

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 9/1/11 3:49:11 PM

> Without reading this entire thread, just thought I'd
> mention that I heard on the news that KI will announce
> their 2012 ride tomorrow 9/2 and said that it would be a
> major addition to celebrate the park's 40th anniversary.

Windseeker II!!! 602FEET! DOUBLE YOUR TERROR...DOUBLE YOUR FUN!

Seriously, I anticipate it'll be waterpark news. Much as I'd love to see them do SOMETHING with my former favorite ride, I'm not holding my breath.

Mike

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Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by RobLec RobLec Profile at 9/1/11 4:11:40 PM

> Windseeker II!!! 602FEET! DOUBLE YOUR TERROR...DOUBLE YOUR FUN!

Windseeker was so uninspiring that I haven't even been on ONE of them

> Seriously, I anticipate it'll be waterpark news.

Just what the midwest needs... another "world's largest watercoaster"

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by Tomes at 9/1/11 5:21:45 PM

> Windseeker II!!! 602FEET! DOUBLE YOUR TERROR...DOUBLE YOUR
> FUN!

> Windseeker was so uninspiring that I haven't even been on
> ONE of them

> Seriously, I anticipate it'll be waterpark news.

> Just what the midwest needs... another "world's
> largest watercoaster"

Hahaha.. That would actually be really cool! Have you ever been on Wildebeest in Holiday World? By FAR the best waterpark ride experience ever!! I can't wait to ride the Mammoth.

Another comment I have - not to be a "negative Nancy" but what's the big excitement about the wind seeker rides??? They're BORING in my opinion. Just being up that high is not exciting for me at all! If you want a ride with a view go to the top of the gateway arch or the empire state building etc.. Anyway, I rode the one in St. Louis 2wice and will probably never wait in line again for it. My opinion.

That being said, I'm excited to see what Kings Island will announce. I'm also anticipating Knotts Berry Farm's announcement. I'm probably going to make it over there next year, and maybe check out that new MM tower and maybe even Northern Cali's new coaster

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 9/1/11 6:15:08 PM

The only problems with Windseekers is that they are passed off as thrill rides, when in reality, they are great family rides, much like regular swings, but more comfortable, with a great view, and an impressive light show. Not to mention they are a great way to relax.

-Josh

Re: New For 2012 by Tomes at 9/1/11 6:55:24 PM

A great way to relax for 2 minutes after waiting in line for way too long.. Lol. I would much rather relax on a Storm Runner...

But you're right - they're passed off as thrill rides when in reality they are not. They're just little family-rides. Like a mine train (Just 10 times taller)

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by RobLec RobLec Profile at 9/1/11 7:12:24 PM

> Hahaha.. That would actually be really cool! Have you ever
> been on Wildebeest in Holiday World? By FAR the best
> waterpark ride experience ever!! I can't wait to ride the
> Mammoth.

Yes, I really liked Wildebeest and am looking forward to Mammoth too.

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 9/1/11 9:46:29 PM

> I will continue to hold out hope that Son of Beast gets a
> Rocky Mountain face lift. I have my doubts though. From a
> business standpoint, the numbers just don't add up.
Word of mouth has it that the new (ex-Disney) CF CEO
> says it is too expensive to tear it down. One could infer
> that the ride will be "fixed" in one way or
> another. Only time will tell.

:crosses fingers: I certainly hope so as well. Would be such a shame to tear it down.

> Six Flags New England (Massachusetts) – The 192-foot-tall
> Goliath inverted boomerang coaster

> Another Goliath, huh? I really wish one of these parks
> would build a junior coaster next to Goliath and call it
> David.

> Mike

LMAO! Brilliant!
But yeah, what is it w/SF and naming 'goliath' for rides that don't really live up to that name? The Batman Ride moved from SFNO could've been rethemed as some other DC character than given that name.

> Kings Dominion's facebook page has annouced Wind Seeker and
> the Dinosaurs Alive attraction for 2012.

> Also confirmed on the KD website. Windseeker will be 301
> feet tall and sit where either El Dorado is or in that
> general area. My thought is it will be in the same spot
> since El Dorado has been places for sale.

That's a shame, I kinda liked El Dorado. It was a fun ride and one i would ride when I just wanted to 'take a break' from all the other roller coasters there.

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Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/1/11 11:21:07 PM

I wonder what attraction is next at HW after Mammoth, Brontosaurus, a super water coaster with giant rafts that fit eight people each?

I've ridden Star Flyer in Orlando, a similar ride to Windseeker. I agree that they're okay, as they are scenic and relaxing but definitely not something that I'll wait in a moderately-sized queue for. Yeah they're basically lofty family rides. They are only scary if you're scared of heights.

To be honest, I'm tired of this current Windseeker craze. They're okay but IMO they aren't all that to be making fifteen of them (or whatever how many they're making) all over the continent. Too many parks are just playing monkey see monkey do, therefore making parks lack any identity. Just like the Tony Hawk spin coaster craze.

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Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by alpengeistno3 at 9/2/11 12:52:38 AM

So what's wrong with every park having a Windseeker? Every park has bumper cars. Every park has a Scrambler. If Cedar Fair wants to place one in every one of their parks, great. I'm not thrilled about going around in circles on any ride, but if it pulls people away from the Congo section of the KD, then great :)

Paul

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 9/2/11 8:20:31 AM

> Every park has bumper cars.

Except GAdv. But Wait 'til next year.

Every park has a Scrambler.

Except GAdv. But wait 'til next year.

Every park ha a flying elephant ride (okay, you didn't say that.)

Except GAdv. But wait 'til next year.

Mike, waiting 'til next year.

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 9/2/11 9:04:08 AM

X Flight looks awesome!! I thought the wingrider would be launch and low to the ground! No idea it was gonna be a more traditional coaster. Just wow. I might be heading there this weekend on a trip, sucks cause I'm a year early! haha

also very pleased with my home parks announcement (SFGAdv). No coaster, which I didn't expect, but some much needed additions.

I too, am disappointed there has been no wooden coaster announcements.

- mugen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/2/11 2:52:53 PM

Kings Island announced expansion of their water park, as well as branded it Soak City.

New 650,000 gallon wave pool, new lazy river, new entrance, and new amenities.

I'm a bit let down, though I kinda' figured they were headed in that direction. Let's face it, water parks need updating/additions too.

My question is WHAT ABOUT SON OF BEAST?! They can't just let it sit dormant for another year, can they?

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/2/11 3:44:43 PM

> My question is WHAT ABOUT SON OF BEAST?! They can't just
> let it sit dormant for another year, can they?

Maybe since it will cost too much to remove they figure if they wait long enough termites will take care of it for them. It is getting pretty ridiculous.

Jen

Re: KI to announce 2012 addition on Friday by alpengeistno3 at 9/2/11 10:10:45 PM

> Every park has bumper cars.

> Except GAdv. But Wait 'til next year.

Mike, Gradv has bumper cars...WE JUST CAN'T RIDE THEM!!! (until next year, lol)

Paul

Re: New For 2012 by SFGAman SFGAman Profile at 9/4/11 9:32:12 PM

Might wanna add wild eagle at Dollywood.

They claim its the worlds first wingrider...when in REALITY x flight is...what bull

Re: New For 2012 by pyl-driver pyl-driver Profile at 9/4/11 9:42:58 PM

Go to newsplusnotes.com, shows Dollywoods new coaster Wild Eagle. It is just like SF Great Americas X Flight. What will be better?

Re: New For 2012 by PkD4Life PkD4Life Profile at 9/4/11 9:45:03 PM

No where does it claim that Dollywood has the first wing rider in the world...thats Raptor in Gardaland. They are saying it will be the first in the United States cause it will open before the one at Six Flags. Wild Eagle is scheduled to open in March.

Re: New For 2012 by pyl-driver pyl-driver Profile at 9/4/11 9:52:17 PM

Wild Eagle looks like it will be bigger and faster and more thrilling than X Flight which seems to be a bit of a surprise. I would have thought a Six Flags park would get a better version than the less known Dollywood.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/5/11 12:14:46 AM

Lets compare the two US B&M Wing Riders

X-Flight

55MPH

5 Inversions:
Dive Loop
Zero-G Roll
Immelmann
Zero-G Roll
Barrel Roll (through a near-miss keyhole cut-out in tower)

Short Tunnel (Hangar)

Drop height: 120ft

Track length: 3000ft

Wild Eagle

61MPH

4 Inversions:
Vertical Loop
Zero-G Roll
Inclined Immelmann
Flat Spin

Camelback

Drop height: 135ft

Track length: 3127ft

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/5/11 12:37:04 AM

> Wild Eagle looks like it will be bigger and faster and more
> thrilling than X Flight which seems to be a bit of a
> surprise.

Just from very early spectulation, I actually hafta give X-Flight a nod over Wild Eagle.

Here's how I break it down.

IMO 55MPH(X-Flight)isn't all that slower than 61MPH, so I don't think that's a big deal.

X-Flight has two Zero-G Rolls, an inversion that's known to give airtime. X-Flight has a very unique barrel roll inversion that goes through a keyhole tower. X-Flight's first inversion is a Dive Loop that gets straight to the point, so IMO Wild Eagle's track length advantage isn't significant. I'm not fond of X-Flight's name, as they should've picked a brand new name, but of course SF will find a way to regurgiate coaster names.

Wild Eagle has one Zero-G Roll (airtime potential). Wild Eagle has an unique inversion, an Inclined Immelmann. Wild Eagle has a camelback, which are known to be 'sometimey' with airtime; Some deliver air, some don't. Wild Eagle will more than likely have a scenic, and terrain location advantage over X-Flight. I like Wild Eagle's name, as it's simple, and original.

IMO X-Flight's 'X-factor' is that barrel roll through the keyhole; I was blown away looking at that X-Flight clip; I actually thought that these coaster types weren't gonna be all that exciting until I saw that clip. Don't get me wrong, Wild Eagle doesn't look like a slouch by no means. I like that these two coasters have very contrasting layouts from each other.

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Re: New For 2012 by pyl-driver pyl-driver Profile at 9/5/11 9:51:30 AM

> X-Flight has two Zero-G Rolls, an inversion that's known to
> give airtime. X-Flight has a very unique barrel roll
> inversion that goes through a keyhole tower.

That clip blew me away as well when it barrel rolled through that tower. The stats on Wild Eagle might seem better but the fun factor might be a lot better on X Flight. I have not seen a video on the ride experience that Wild Eagle has to offer, just stats. I actually like the name X Flight better than Wild Eagle. I live much closer to Great America so that will be the park that I will be going to next year, can't wait!!!

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 9/5/11 9:53:42 AM

Wild Eagle looks very good. I haven't seen a video, but I have seen the layout. X Flight looks more unique, but Wild Eagle looks to be just as fun. I'm glad Dollywood put a honest effort into this. Wild Eagle will fit in nice with their other coasters. Of the 2012 announcements, here is how I rank them on my priority list.
1) Leviathan
2) Skyrush
3) X Flight
4) Wild Eagle
5) Verbolten
Hopefully all goes well. I plan to ride all 5 in 2012. It will be interesting to see how they rank after I ride them.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/5/11 9:56:00 AM

BTW Pyl-Driver, thanks for the link to the newsplusnotes site. It's a very informative site.

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Re: New For 2012 by PkD4Life PkD4Life Profile at 9/5/11 9:56:25 AM

I think both Wing Riders this year are going to be huge successes to both parks, but more so Dollywood. They already have a pretty good line up of rides and the addition of Wild Eagle will put Dollywood on the map as a destination next season. SFGAM will have an amazing ride, the keyhole looks really cool. I cant wait to see a video of Wild Eagle, just to see how it will interact with the surrounding area. Lets let Dollywood have the claim to the longest, fastest, tallest Wing Rider if even for a little bit so they can sell more tickets.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/5/11 10:30:10 AM

>Of the 2012 announcements, here is how I rank them on my priority list.
> 1) Leviathan

We all know that the first drop looks awesome, but I hope that you're not expecting tons of airtime on Leviathan, as this layout is all about speed, and high banked curves, over negative-G's; Looking at the Leviathan's POV, I see one or maybe two hills at best that has a chance of having decent airtime. IMO CW kinda missed the boat on this; Okay, Leviathan chose a speedy layout over a traditional camelback layout. Millennium Force can get away with having a speedy layout as it has two well hidden tunnels, three overbanked curves, which keeps the speed at a steadfast pace throughout the course, alotta low to the ground curvy track which displays the speed well, and lots of trees. I'm still baffled on why CW has another mega coaster, but these days, you can't predict on what move a park is gonna do next. I hope I'm wrong about Leviathan, and people will be blown away by it, but I won't be a bit surprised if Behemoth will still be the airtime king at CW.

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Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 9/5/11 12:04:08 PM

Behemoth is my 2nd favorite steel coaster. I seriously doubt Leviathan will be as good. It probably won't be as good as MF, which is my 3rd favorite steel coaster but from the videos it should still land in my top 5. The last time I was this excited about a new coaster was when I saw the video of I305. Leviathan looks like it won't have much air time but the other elements it will have should make for an awesome ride experience.

Re: New For 2012 by pyl-driver pyl-driver Profile at 9/5/11 4:21:17 PM

> Of the 2012 announcements, here is
> how I rank them on my priority list.
> 1) Leviathan
> 2) Skyrush
> 3) X Flight
> 4) Wild Eagle
> 5) Verbolten

My top 5 for 2012 are this list.....
1} X Flight
2) Skyrush
3) Verbolten
4) Leviathan
5) Lex Luther Drop of Doom

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/5/11 5:30:42 PM

^^^Wow, Wild Eagle kicked off the list because of a freefall ride? LOL, I dunno if I'll go that far although Lex Luther is definitely highly anticipated at SFMM.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/6/11 10:27:46 AM

Updated 9/6/11 with the addition of Wild Eagle at Dollywood. I apologize for the delay. I'm actually in Wildwood, NJ, and the wi-fi in our room wasn't very strong.

I can say that there are what appear to be coaster markings on the original Morey's Pier, where the new wooden coaster is supposed to go. I really hope they make this happen for 2012.

In other Morey's news, Great White's trains received a head-to-toe refurbishing in the off season. They look brand new, and they ride like it too. I was impressed with it last evening - it's last operating evening of the year.

Wild Eagle looks like a ton of fun, and I'm glad that there are two wing-riders coming to the U.S. next year. They look incredible.

By way of what NEW coasters look the most impressive for next season... and I'll leave Verbolten off for now, since we know so little about it.

1) Leviathan
2) X-Flight
3) Wild Eagle
4) Skyrush
5) Superman

But, that can all change. Still waiting on a possible Knott's ride, and hopefully a Morey's announcement.

Re: New For 2012 by Tomes at 9/6/11 11:56:00 AM

I don't know so much about Verbotlen.. It looks like it would be fun, but not more fun than Wild Eagle, at least in my opinion.. Remember the huge hype and even "huger" disappointment with Cheetah Chaser?? In reality, if Cheetah's first launch was about 10-15mph faster, then entire ride seems like it would be a good pace and pretty thrilling, but as it is right now, it doesn't want to make me go back to busch gardens specifically to ride it.

But back to the point, I think there's no way it will beat Wild Eagle. Between Wild Eagle and X-Flight I have to say I'm slightly disappointed in X-Flight's status. I said a few weeks back, that I was hoping it wasn't going to be like Raptor at Gardaland, but be a lot bigger, longer and faster.. Well it's a bit taller and longer and has more inversions. But I was hoping it would have stats more like Wild Eagle. I do agree that the extra inversion, especially a 0-g roll, and the near-miss "keyhole" element in the middle of a barrel roll does sound awesome, and I will definitely drive up there next year to ride it, but for having taken out a coaster, and recently having lost Deja Vu, I was hoping they would REALLY go out of their way with this one.. At 210 feet, Wild Eagle will be the "tallest" inverting roller coaster, and its height beats SkyRush even though it only drops 135ft.

Also, I have extremely high expectations from Leviathan. You guys are right in that it doesn't have a ton of back-to-back camelbacks, but no current gigacoaster in North America does, as far as I know. Plus like I said before, I think CW is trying to achieve a different ride experience from their already successful Behemoth. I think it will be an awesome ride that will keep its pace from the drop to the end. I'm gonna have to check it out!

That being said, here are my top 5 coasters for this year:
1. Knotts Berry Farm's new coaster (supposed to top everything!)
2. Leviathan
3. Wild Eagle (tie)
3. X-Flight (tie, until I experience both and decide for myself)
4. SkyRush

Cheers!
Tomes

Re: New For 2012 by pyl-driver pyl-driver Profile at 9/6/11 3:30:04 PM

> ^^^Wow, Wild Eagle kicked off the list because of a
> freefall ride? LOL, I dunno if I'll go that far although
> Lex Luther is definitely highly anticipated at SFMM.
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lol,oops, I ment to put it in a tie w/ X Flight.
1.X Flight/Wild Eagle
2.Skyrush
3.Verbolten
4.Leviathan
5.Lex Luther dod

Re: New For 2012 by pyl-driver pyl-driver Profile at 9/6/11 3:37:31 PM

Is Knotts going to get that giga for 2012? It seems as though all the announcements have taken place. I only heard rumors on screamscape about 2012 giga, the same sight who rumored 2 coasters for CP. I hope Cedar Fair is saving the best for last. If they do announce that giga, it will put Cedar Fair back on top or closer to Six Flags for announcements 2012. Knotts and Cedar Fair has been very quite, think they are done sadly. My list for top 5 announcements will of course change if Knotts pulls the trigger. Lets hope they do soon!!

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 9/6/11 4:55:17 PM

> In case anyone hasn't taken notice. There has yet to be a
> wooden coaster announced in the U.S. for 2012.

> 2010 only saw the resurrection of Little Dipper at Six
> Flags Great America.

> 2011 saw the construction of Wooden Warrior at Quassy, and
> the resurrection of Zippin' Pippin in Green Bay.

> So far nothing for 2012. I hope Morey's comes through.

In the past 10 years wooden coasters built by Gravity Group, GCI, and Intamin have been just as good as steel coaster installations. It seems in recent years wooden coasters have become steeper, faster, and smoother while having great air time and laterals. I love the 2012 announcements, but I'm also craving a new wooden coaster. Maybe Morey's will come through or maybe that land that Kennywood is clearing behind Phantoms Revenge is going to have a wooden coaster on it in the near future (haven't heard anything). Hopefully someone will install a wooden coaster for next year.

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 9/6/11 4:57:22 PM

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Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 9/6/11 5:36:34 PM

1. Leviathan
2. Wild Eagle
3. x flight
4. Verbolten
5. Skyrush

Skyrush just doesn't look like a GREAT ride. It looks fun, just not GREAT. Verbolten just interests me a lot. that's why I would give it the bump to #4.

Everyone knows I love me some hypers so bulding a giga is #1 in my book!

As far as the wing riders I have a feeling they will be THE ride to build in the coming years. If they are remotely as fun as Dive Machines, which imo they resemble a bit. Then I hope SFGAdv gets on the wingrider train!

- mugen

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/6/11 9:24:47 PM

Here's a photo I found showing where the rides are going at SFGA

If you right click and hit view image it comes up larger.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/6/11 11:28:12 PM

> Skyrush just doesn't look like a GREAT ride. It looks fun,
> just not GREAT. Verbolten just interests me a lot.

I agree Mugen.

Re: New For 2012 by CarolH at 9/7/11 6:30:00 AM

> Both KI and CP already have fantastic aerial
> photo-ops. Carowinds has an okay high-up place for pics,
> but they have to be taken through glass, which can take
> away from any pics. Idk about Canada's Wonderland or
> Knotts.

Where are CP's fantastic aerial photo-ops? Space Spirial has goofy glass & no photos are allowed on the wheel.

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 9/7/11 9:06:57 AM

> Both KI and CP already have fantastic aerial
> photo-ops. Carowinds has an okay high-up place for pics,
> but they have to be taken through glass, which can take
> away from any pics. Idk about Canada's Wonderland or
> Knotts.

> Where are CP's fantastic aerial photo-ops? Space Spirial
> has goofy glass & no photos are allowed on the wheel.

Since when??? I never known of any restrictions of photography from the wheel. Is this a new rule? If not, I've been breaking it without knowing for years. Either way, if it really is a rule, then it's the dumbest rule I've heard of.

-Josh

Re: New For 2012 by CarolH at 9/8/11 6:47:55 PM

You have been breaking it for a few years, at least 5 years that I can remember. It's not just the wheel, the train and sky cars are also no photo zones. It's that way in most, if not all Cedar Fair parks.

OBTW, It's also a new rule at Indiana Beach. No photography on the Giant Wheel. Heck, you can't even carry a bag or wear a fanny
pack on the skyride, let alone carry a on camera.

Carol

Re: New For 2012 by Rollercoaster_freak220 Rollercoaster_freak220 Profile at 9/8/11 7:17:27 PM

I hate to be "that guy" but this is one area where I'm afraid I will continue breaking the rule until a park employee stops me. I didn't even know about the rule at IB, and I was there last weekend taking pictures from the wheel. I did know about the strict no-bags or anything rule on the skyride, so we didn't ride that.

It's my belief that the wheel rules are only to cover the park's a** if someone drops a camera on someone (which I will NEVER do, as I always have my neck-strap on, and don't hang my camera over the side.) The only wheels I would think this rule is okay is on wheels like at Dollywood, and as far as I know, they even allow them there (or at least the ride ops don't say a word about it.)

Oh, and on CP's site, their loose article policy (that I just found) states photos are allowed on the train. FYI

Like I said, I hate to be that way, but that's how much I disagree with that rule.

Re: New For 2012 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 9/8/11 9:05:14 PM

do they have such a restriction on the wheel at KD? I hope not, but I always have my pocket camera's strap firmly wrapped around my wrist so that it won't slip away. I am always responsible for my cameras and make extra precautions to secure them. It's a shame others that aren't as careful causes rules like this to happen.

Re: New For 2012 by CarolH at 9/9/11 6:32:32 AM

> Oh, and on CP's site, their loose article policy (that I
> just found) states photos are allowed on the train. FYI

Interesting.... when we rode the train back in June, I was holding my camera as we boarded & I was asked to put it away because photography wasn't allowed on the train.

I asked the operations manager at IB about taking photos on the wheel & he stated the only ride in the park that anyone was allowed to take photos on was the Shafer Queen.

Carol

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/13/11 9:13:24 PM

Updated the list today, 9/13.

It seems that Busch Gardens Williamsburg is ready to release the details of Verbolten. Saturday the 17th is the day.

Also, in Knott's news, Screamscape, via Westcoaster, is reporting that land is being cleared in two locations near Ghost Rider.

Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 9/17/11 4:09:20 PM

Kennywood is removing The Pit Fall to make room or a new 2012 attraction. No word yet of what that attraction will be.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/17/11 11:58:05 PM

Updated 9/17 with the confirmation of Verbolten at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.

This one looks like a lot of fun, particularly the large drop at the end. It may end up being the best overall new ride of 2012.

Re: New For 2012 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 9/18/11 1:04:15 AM

Based off the supposed info on Wiki, it says the length will be under 3000ft. THat's a little disappointing concidering they have the space where 2 former coasters once stood. If anything that's room enough to have another 1000ft of track. But hey, I like longer rides...
I would hope they release concept images of the ride especially of the drop soon. Looking forward to seeing them make use of BBW's 'plunge'.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/18/11 2:16:46 AM

> Based off the supposed info on Wiki, it says the length
> will be under 3000ft.

Yup, 2835ft. to be exact, only 35ft longer than BBW, and 1594ft. shorter than the 'long lost brother' at BGT Cheetah Hunt which is 4429ft; I added that all up in my head, you're right! LOL. I agree that Verboltens track length is disappointing, esp for a launched coaster; That would be decent track length for something like an Eurofighter.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/22/11 3:49:23 PM

Updated 9/22

Dorney Park has announced that they are also adding a Dinosaurs Alive walkthrough attraction, west of Steel Force.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that this land is part of the new land purchased by the park earlier this year.

I like the idea of the park developing the area west and south of Steel Force. There's room for a wooden coaster there. (Please Dorney, build another wooden coaster...)

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 9/22/11 4:28:26 PM

> Dorney Park has announced that they are also adding a
> Dinosaurs Alive walkthrough attraction, west of Steel
> Force.

> If I'm not mistaken, I believe that this land is part of
> the new land purchased by the park earlier this year.

> I like the idea of the park developing the area west and
> south of Steel Force. There's room for a wooden coaster
> there. (Please Dorney, build another wooden coaster...)

*YAWN*...This whole dinosaur thing is something I can't get excited about. Maybe because I don't have kids. I can see the appeal for families with children.

Bring on the woodie!!! Thunderhawk needs a bigger, younger brudder.

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by Coaster316 at 9/22/11 4:49:44 PM

> If I'm not mistaken, I believe that this land is part of
> the new land purchased by the park earlier this year.

I think this is a different parcel. The land purchased earlier this year was closer to Interstate 78 itself adjacent to the existing parking lot. I believe this is the wooded parcel behind the restroom that is out by itself beyond Steel Force.

If you look at the map I linked to - and if I'm reading things correctly - Dinosaurs will go in the wooded area to the left of the Steel Force station and the land they bought is near the on/off ramps of the interstate in between Hillview Drive and the Lehigh County Conservation building.

- Jeff

Dorney Park Overhead

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/22/11 6:04:00 PM

> *YAWN*...This whole dinosaur thing is something I can't get
> excited about. Maybe because I don't have kids. I can see
> the appeal for families with children.

I'll probably check it out once, due to my fascination with dinosaurs as a kid. It seems pretty cool.

> Bring on the woodie!!! Thunderhawk needs a bigger, younger
> brudder.

> Mike

Agreed 100%. Thunderhawk did have a bigger younger brother at one time. Say what you want about Hercules, I never thought it was that bad, and a second wooden coaster's presence is sorely missed at Dorney.

In fact, as and admitted Dorney Park fan, if they do build a really good GCI, I would take their coaster collection over anyone else's in the state.

> I think this is a different parcel. The land purchased
> earlier this year was closer to Interstate 78 itself
> adjacent to the existing parking lot. I believe this is the
> wooded parcel behind the restroom that is out by itself
> beyond Steel Force.

> If you look at the map I linked to - and if I'm reading
> things correctly - Dinosaurs will go in the wooded area to
> the left of the Steel Force station and the land they
> bought is near the on/off ramps of the interstate in
> between Hillview Drive and the Lehigh County Conservation
> building.

> - Jeff

You may be right. Looking at the map, I'm not sure where the new land is. There isn't much room west of the overflow lot. Is that the new land?

I was unaware that Dorney even owned the wooded area directly west of Steel Force. It sounds as if Dinosaurs Alive! will be built in the woods, which I think is a good idea. It will most likely lead to further expansion in that direction, and most likely be the location of any new roller coaster. That piece of land is sizable.

Re: New For 2012 by looper77 at 9/22/11 7:22:13 PM

> Bring on the woodie!!! Thunderhawk needs a bigger, younger
> brudder.

> Mike

> Agreed 100%. Thunderhawk did have a bigger younger brother
> at one time. Say what you want about Hercules, I never
> thought it was that bad, and a second wooden coaster's
> presence is sorely missed at Dorney.

> In fact, as and admitted Dorney Park fan, if they do build
> a really good GCI, I would take their coaster collection
> over anyone else's in the state.

Well, with the departure of Great America, Cedar Fair does have plans drawn up for a woodie that is now just waiting to be built! Waste not, want not. ;-)

Re: New For 2012 by Coaster316 at 9/22/11 10:48:28 PM

> Agreed 100%. Thunderhawk did have a bigger younger brother
> at one time. Say what you want about Hercules, I never
> thought it was that bad, and a second wooden coaster's
> presence is sorely missed at Dorney.

I wasn't a fan of Hercules until the last few times I rode it...just before they announced it was going away.

> I was unaware that Dorney even owned the wooded area
> directly west of Steel Force. It sounds as if Dinosaurs
> Alive! will be built in the woods, which I think is a good
> idea. It will most likely lead to further expansion in that
> direction, and most likely be the location of any new
> roller coaster. That piece of land is sizable.

I didn't know Dorney owned that land, either. The one article says "wooded area behind and west of Steel Force" which leads me to that area. As for the new parcel, an old article I came up with said southwest corner of Dorney Park Road and Hillview Drive, so that must be it. Plus, that was the parcel they were going to put that one war memorial on that fell through.

Interesting side note...in 2003 Cedar Fair had a loose agreement with the county to buy that plot of land for $680,000 that fell through. The current agreement is for $2.75 million. How's that real estate market doing again? :)

- Jeff

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/22/11 11:06:30 PM

> I didn't know Dorney owned that land, either. The one
> article says "wooded area behind and west of Steel
> Force" which leads me to that area. As for the new
> parcel, an old article I came up with said southwest corner
> of Dorney Park Road and Hillview Drive, so that must be it.
> Plus, that was the parcel they were going to put that one
> war memorial on that fell through.

> Interesting side note...in 2003 Cedar Fair had a loose
> agreement with the county to buy that plot of land for
> $680,000 that fell through. The current agreement is for
> $2.75 million. How's that real estate market doing again?
> :)

> - Jeff

I believe the new parcel in question is the piece just west of the overflow parking lot.

I don't see how the park can be expaned into that area. It looks too far removed from the current park. Perhaps it will be more parking, or some sort of service/maintenance area. Then the park could expand into current parking or service areas.

At any rate, if we can assume that Dorney owns all of the land east of Dorney Park Road and north up to their boneyard, then they have a lot more land than I thought.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/22/11 11:09:50 PM

> Well, with the departure of Great America, Cedar Fair does
> have plans drawn up for a woodie that is now just waiting
> to be built! Waste not, want not. ;-)

True. Perhaps with a few design adjustments that ride can appear in the woods at Dorney. That would be perfect. I would love to see a Prowler-type ride.

I've been waiting for Dorney to get a new wooden coaster just as long as I've been waiting for Hersheypark to get a hyper. Hersheypark came through (sort of) this year. Perhaps Dorney can do the same in 2013.

Re: New For 2012 by Coaster316 at 9/23/11 7:12:09 AM

> I believe the new parcel in question is the piece just west
> of the overflow parking lot.

> I don't see how the park can be expaned into that area. It
> looks too far removed from the current park. Perhaps it
> will be more parking, or some sort of service/maintenance
> area. Then the park could expand into current parking or
> service areas.

Agreed. I believe we see parking in that area and expansion into the current parking lot. They can expand both the water park and ride park that way.

- Jeff

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/26/11 11:47:27 PM

In light of some saddening news this evening about Ron Toomer, there is some exciting news out of Kings Island.

Screamscape is reporting that Son of Beast may have "risen" from the grave. Quote:

"In other news, a reader who dropped by Kings Island the other day says they came across some interesting decorations set up for Halloween Haunt near The Beast. A fake graveyard has been built which had gravestones made for many of the park’s old removed rides. Actually, not just rides from Kings Island, they had a few gravestones for rides removed from Geauga Lake as well.

Nothing too odd about all that, however in the display was another item they felt was noteworthy… a dug up grave site with an open and empty casket lying in front. The casket was covered with broken chains all around, as in whatever was inside, had broken free. There were two tombstones behind this caskets, one for Geauga Lake’s old Raging Wolf Bobs, while the other simply said, “My Unloved Son”.

I’ve got to wonder if this is just a standard bit of themeing the park has used for the past few years, or a new little tease to the enthusiast crowds regarding the possible fate of Son of Beast. "

My interest is peaked...

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/27/11 2:08:30 AM

> I’ve got to wonder if this is just a standard bit of
> themeing the park has used for the past few years, or a new
> little tease to the enthusiast crowds regarding the
> possible fate of Son of Beast. "

> My interest is peaked...

Mine too and I've never even ridden it! (but I'd like to someday)

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/29/11 9:42:39 AM

Updated 9/29

Holiday World is adding a vertical swing ride for next year as well. It sounds like it's the same ride that exists at Luna Park in Coney Island, which I really enjoyed.

Link below.

New Holiday World Ride

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 9/29/11 12:28:22 PM

I heard that HW is gonna retire Paul Revere's Midnight Ride(spider flat).

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 9/29/11 1:25:53 PM

> Six Flags Great Adventure (New Jersey) and Six Flags Fiesta
> Texas (San Antonio) – Both parks will install Sky
> Screamer swing towers for 2012.

> The video claims 150 ft for Great Adventure's and 200 ft
> for Fiesta Texas. I thought SFGAdv's would be the taller of
> the two, but it's actually shorter.

Updated again, and yes, I'm responding to my own post.

According to their Facebook page, the Great Adventure ride's height has been increased from 150 feet to 240 feet. Now that's more like it...

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 9/29/11 1:30:06 PM

> Updated again, and yes, I'm responding to my own post.

> According to their Facebook page, the Great Adventure ride
> height has been increased from 150 feet to 240 feet. Now
> that's more like it...

Awesome!

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 11/3/11 4:04:12 PM

Dollywood has released a virtual Wild Eagle POV vid.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cbL5hFsWDw

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 11/3/11 11:32:16 PM

One thing that I noticed about the Wild Eagle POV; Inversions like zero-G rolls, or barrel rolls on a Wing Rider have more of a gradual flipping rotation with that wide wingspan, compared to the snappier rotations on a sitdown, floorless, etc. Wing Rider trains are like condors. Wild Eagle's natual scenery, and terrain looks awesome.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 1/28/12 11:58:07 AM

Update 1/28/12

Hard to believe that I started this post almost a year ago, and it's neat to see everything coming to fruition.

I updated the "master" list to hopefully list everything that will be new this year in U.S. parks.

I'm really looking forward to X-Flight, which I think will be the dark-horse hit of the summer. That layout looks incredible, and these wing rider trains have me all sorts of excited.

I also added Flying Turns to the 2012 list. Something tells me that this is the year.

Re: New For 2012 Photo Icon by drachen drachen Profile at 1/30/12 6:27:39 PM

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I meant to post this is the "Hershey Plans for 2012" thread, but posted it here by mistake. I guess it's still relevant to the topic...

This lift and drop is looking sweeter every day. They finished work on the lift supports today, as is evident in the image below.

Poor Comet... but Skyrush is looking pretty nice.

I believe this image is from the park's Facebook page.

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Re: New For 2012 by easytobook at 2/1/12 9:29:27 AM

Interesting the development in 2011, and looks like 2012 is set to be better. Let’s hope so. And good points about the camera rules.
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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 2/4/12 7:57:33 AM

Talk about a major coaster that's under the radar! Check out this Eurofighter (Iron Shark) at 'Galveston Island Historic Pleasure Pier' in Texas. It's gonna have four inversions!

www.rcdb.com/10290.htm

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/4/12 8:02:30 AM

> Talk about a major coaster that's under the radar! Check
> out this Eurofighter (Iron Shark) at 'Galveston Island
> Historic Pleasure Pier' in Texas. It's gonna have four
> inversions!

> > href="http://www.rcdb.com/10290.htm">www.rcdb.com/10290.htm

They shoulda themed it to the WWF(E) and called it the Iron Sheik.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 2/4/12 8:30:42 AM

^^^That would've worked, they could've put a big trademark handlebar stache on the front of the trains; Iron Sheik's stache is kinda similar to the new owner of my Jags, Shad Khan's. :)

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 2/4/12 9:24:52 AM

> Talk about a major coaster that's under the radar! Check
> out this Eurofighter (Iron Shark) at 'Galveston Island
> Historic Pleasure Pier' in Texas. It's gonna have four
> inversions!

> > href="http://www.rcdb.com/10290.htm">www.rcdb.com/10290.htm

Don't know how I missed this one. Added to the list. Looks fun.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 2/4/12 10:11:32 AM

^^^Yeah, it was very late braking news; I had stumbled upon it on RCDB. Screamscape posted the info only four days ago. Talk about keeping it hush hush! Sounds like nearby Kemah has some major competetion!

Here's link with a video below explaining the project.

www.click2houston.com/news/Pleasure-Pier-returning-to-Galveston/-/1735978/8564402/-/12jjldq/-/index.ntml

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 2/24/12 10:52:22 AM
So, after reviewing the list at the beginning of this year-old thread, which of these new roller coasters will everyone be getting to this year?

For me, the list looks like this:

- Skyrush, probably in May.
- X-Flight, hopefully Memorial Day weekend
- Stinger, at some point this summer
- Flying Turns, as soon as I hear it's open.
- Verbolten, hopefully this fall.

Edit:
- Apocalypse, forgot about this one, since I rode it at SFGAm. I usually make it to SFA for a day.

What an appropriate name for a 2012 coaster...

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Re: New For 2012 by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 2/24/12 12:17:43 PM
I'm hoping to visit:

  • Canada's Wonderland for Leviathan
  • Busch Gardens Williamsburg for Verbolten
  • Hersheypark for SkyRush
  • Six Flags Great America for X-Flight
  • Dollywood for Wild Eagle

It's been more than 10 years since I've been to Canada's Wonderland and I've never been to Dollywood or Six Flags Great America.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 2/24/12 12:43:07 PM
I'll hit Stinger and SkyRush for sure. Not holding my breath for Flying Turns, but I need to get to Knoebels again.

Apocalypse and Goliath (SFNE) are possibilities, but Apocalypse won't be open when I'm down that way in April. Although they're among my least favorite types of coasters, they're still coasters...that I haven't been on.

Mike

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 2/25/12 11:48:16 PM
Eric_Gieszl said:

I'm hoping to visit:


  • Canada's Wonderland for Leviathan
  • Busch Gardens Williamsburg for Verbolten
  • Hersheypark for SkyRush
  • Six Flags Great America for X-Flight
  • Dollywood for Wild Eagle

It's been more than 10 years since I've been to Canada's Wonderland and I've never been to Dollywood or Six Flags Great America.

Any idea when you are thinking of going to Hershey? Since we are going to make a URC trip there some point this season it would be great if you could come too!

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 2/26/12 2:26:38 AM
When is this Hersheypark trip being planned?
Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 2/26/12 9:57:11 AM
Eric_Gieszl said:

When is this Hersheypark trip being planned?

Don't know yet. We all just wanted to make sure Sky Rush was open before we committed to a date. I'm thinking sometime in June before schools are out after the coaster is open. As soon as we get more info on an opening date for it I'll start the post to get a date set for our little park takeover. :~)

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 2/26/12 5:24:52 PM
Eric_Gieszl said:

I'm hoping to visit:


  • Canada's Wonderland for Leviathan
  • Busch Gardens Williamsburg for Verbolten
  • Hersheypark for SkyRush
  • Six Flags Great America for X-Flight
  • Dollywood for Wild Eagle

It's been more than 10 years since I've been to Canada's Wonderland and I've never been to Dollywood or Six Flags Great America.

Sounds like an lot of highway miles for you this summer. Are you doing CW, HP, SFGAm, and BGW on one trip?

I will assume that if Flying Turns does open, and you're in the area, that it will also be on the list.

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Re: New For 2012 Photo by drachen drachen Profile at 3/4/12 5:29:30 PM
I just watched a video/photo report on Verbolten's "media" day (the majority of the "media" being coaster enthusiasts). This ride may turn out to be the overall best of 2012. I was very impressed with what I saw.

BGW looks to have out-done themselves with theming on this one. Verboten (sans the L) is German for 'forbidden' - very clever. The ride is themed to a German car rental facility where those renting cars fail to return.

The ride itself looks awesome. The forbidden forest looks very twisted - there is a FREEFALL midcourse. There are two launches, and a decrepit covered bridge that you seeming bust through, only to plummet down to the Rhine river, much like this ride's predecessor.

Speaking of which, this ride, though totally different, will be reminiscent of Big Bad Wolf, as it re-uses it's station, and exits said station the same way.

I wasn't originally planning on getting to BGW this year, but I've warmed to this ride in recent weeks. After seeing these photos, I'm making plans for a fall trip to BGW. This is definitely the under-the-radar winner of 2012. Looking at what Verbolten has to offer, it HAS to be good.

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 3/4/12 11:52:53 PM
I, too, have become very impressed with the way Verbolten is coming together. Busch has long been in need of a launch coaster and an enclosed coaster and this ride is both. It should at worst be as good as Wolf, plus the "surprise" in the event building. Not bad at all for relatively small, short ride.

Fans of BBW should not be disappointed at all as it does everything that Wolf did, (and without the annoying C block brake and 2nd lift to break the action.) My only concern is the capacity. The trains only seat 16, a far cry from the 32 average of the Beemers and Loch Ness. (Ironically, one of the park officials went on the record saying they chose shorter trains to make sure everyone could see the "events" fire off in the event building at the same time.) Even with all 5 trains, it means the lines are going to be massive opening year even on slow days.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 3/9/12 12:46:13 PM
alpengeistno3 said:

My only concern is the capacity. The trains only seat 16, a far cry from the 32 average of the Beemers and Loch Ness. (Ironically, one of the park officials went on the record saying they chose shorter trains to make sure everyone could see the "events" fire off in the event building at the same time.)

Even with all 5 trains, it means the lines are going to be massive opening year even on slow days.

I don't know if I agree with you. Sure, 16 is half the capacity of the other BGW coasters, but there are some differences.

Like you said, Verbolten has 5 trains, so if/when all 5 are in use, that's a total of 80 riders per cycle. That's still down from 3 X 32 or 3 X 36 counts, but not by much.

The other difference is that the ride time should be shorter on Verbolten. There is no lift an this ride, just two launches. At full capacity, or close to it, trains should just be flowing through the station.

I agree that Verbolten will have long lines this year. It's new for one, but I do expect it to be very popular for years, especially with families.

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 3/9/12 9:36:24 PM
drachen said:

Like you said, Verbolten has 5 trains, so if/when all 5 are in use, that's a total of 80 riders per cycle. That's still down from 3 X 32 or 3 X 36 counts, but not by much.

Back when I used to work there, there was never a question of whether Busch would run Alpengeist with all 3 trains. Now it's been a rare day that they do that during the week, regardless of how long the line may peak at. I would like to think they will run all 5 trains on Verbolten all the time (when the line necessitates it), but the skeptic in me has a hard time believing it.

drachen said:
The other difference is that the ride time should be shorter on Verbolten. There is no lift an this ride, just two launches. At full capacity, or close to it, trains should just be flowing through the station.

Shorter ride time than BBW, (It was nearly 3:30 from station to disembark) but there is only so fast they can load. I doubt the ride will be designed to have more than 2 out on the course at a time, so that leaves 3 in various stages of the brake run, load or unload. Separate loading and unload stations could help speed up the process, but I doubt that will happen. The ride may end up being 90-120 secs from dispatch to final brake, but I am sure the process of getting back to the station with that many trains will be in excess of 3 mins, same as the other coasters, sans Loch Ness.

Paul

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 3/10/12 8:13:11 PM
Actually Verbolten will have a longer track length and ride time and than BBW (Verbolten at 2835 ft/ 3:25; BBW at 2800ft/ 3:00)

Verbolten's 'Black Forest' will take it's good share of the ride time, which is great.

IMO the capacity shouldn't be a big deal; It has the same capacity as Cheetah Hunt, and if I'm not mistaken Cheetah Hunt ran all five trains when I was there. I'll be shocked if Verbolten don't run all five during peak season, esp with branding the uniquely colored cars. Like Drachen said launches plays a big part in speeding up que wait times. No doubt that the novelty of V-bolt's debuting year will lead to slow que waits, but that's to be expected with any major attraction.

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 3/10/12 9:03:31 PM
Overbanked said:

Actually Verbolten will have a longer track length and ride time and than BBW (Verbolten at 2835 ft/ 3:25; BBW at 2800ft/ 3:00)

BBW's quoted ride time was 3:00, but by the time they got done modding the C block brake to bring to train to a complete stop and the safety brake to slow the train to a crawl, it took 3:30 for the train to completely park in the station.

I'm curious what the quoted time is for Loch Ness. It is nearly up to 3:00 now because of the slower lift speed.

Are you really going to quibble over 35 ft? :)

Paul

PS
Oh yeah, you mentioned Tampa. I went there. They also ran 4 trains on Sheikra with no crowd whatsoever on Thanksgiving day. Try saying you will see anything like that at BGE on a slow day since they started staffing coasters according to attendance projections. Unless they change that practice, it is unlikely Verbolten will run full capacity on weekdays. I could be wrong, but that is what they did with Griffon.

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Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 3/17/12 12:45:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g3bK0puXtp8


Verbolten is quickly making it's way up my list of things to ride this coming year!

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 3/28/12 1:02:05 AM
Here's the Leviathan POV

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_x1b2FAK500

Re: New For 2012 Photo by drachen drachen Profile at 4/12/12 6:28:58 PM
Check out this shot of X-Flight testing at Six Flags Great America. I hope to be there Memorial Day weekend. Who else is riding this thing this year? User Submitted Picture
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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 4/12/12 8:14:48 PM
^^^Hey Drachen, which park was rumored to get Ozark Wildcat?

This is far from being jaw dropping news, but Thunderbolt from Celebration City, is gonna be moved to Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park, and be renamed 'Cliffhanger'. Ahh, another coaster in an outpost with the Cliffhanger name.

www.rcdb.com/6423.htm

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 4/13/12 2:52:20 PM
I couldn't figure out how to embed a video here, so here's a link to my Facebook page that has a video there of X-Flight making an early flight. Check it out.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002514735421

^Overbanked, I think you meant to post that in the "New for 2013" thread, but to answer your question, I don't have any idea of where Ozark Wildcat is possibly heading. I'm as interested in hearing it as you are.

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Re: New For 2012 by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 4/13/12 3:26:09 PM
Overbanked said:

This is far from being jaw dropping news, but Thunderbolt from Celebration City, is gonna be moved to Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park

I will check out this coaster this summer. It's down the road from my parents house.

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 4/13/12 6:03:22 PM
^^^How is Glenwood Springs? I obviously do know anything about it, and I feel awful now for calling it an outpost; It sounds like a nice touristy area. When I was in the Army, I was stationed at Ft Carson near Colorado Springs; It's a beautiful state, you pretty much can't go wrong living there.

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 4/14/12 4:13:35 PM
Here's an off-ride X-Flight test run vid. Looks like they still have to install some things, such as the hangar tunnel, and the keyhole cut-out control tower.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g66-3jcGv2k&feature=player_embedded

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Re: New For 2012 Photo by drachen drachen Profile at 4/19/12 7:25:08 PM
X-Flight's control tower is looking pretty sweet, if you ask me...

Photo from X-Flight Facebook page.

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 4/25/12 4:49:05 AM
I'm not trying be Debbie Downer or anything, but when I first heard about Verbolten (before construction) I pictured the drop from the station that's followed with a scenic meandering run that will have you in anticipation of the enclosed Black Forest (like on the early promos) ya know kinda similar to BBW. That's far from the truth, it's basically turn left, turn right, Black Forest in your face; Hell, you can see the Black Forest from the station (from the pics). For me, the X factor is what kinda special effects are in the Black Forest, and the 'bingo' moment definitely should be the freefall drop itself. As for that left turn down in the Rhine River, hopefully they don't block brake the hell out of it, like it's going 2MPH slowly but surely plunging down below; There's a thin line between 'great moment!' and 'nice scenery, but BBW's was better'. Those test vids don't look too promising as the train moves SLOOWWW on the broken bridge before the plunge. I dunno, I just have a felling that the highly anticipated Rhine River drop will blow the people who has not ridden BBW away, but the people who has ridden it will be like 'nice touch with the old school, but it's just okay'. Just me speculatin' I know that yall hate when I do that. LOL.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kBNQBxiIG4

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 4/25/12 9:19:06 AM
I saw that video too. Here's another without that corny music...

I was expecting a little more speed on the bridge before the drop. I still hope that that will be the case, and that the slow speed in the video is simply part of a test.

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 4/26/12 4:04:22 PM
Chris, I am half way with you and disagree on the other half. BBW did even less coming out of the station, including hitting a slow climbing lift. I didn't ride BBW when it first opened in '84, but I have to assume all that lush scenery had to be grown in, as it will with Verbolten.

As for the final drop, it was obvious a slow drop was what was planned when we saw the brakes being installed up there. Is it disappointing? Hell yeah, but the animation showed the car coming to a stall before falling off the bridge, so it should have been expected. Afterall, it is the same profile as Wolf's final drop and that came off a slow lift and still had trim brakes added. At least Verbolten has more pep coming into the final brake run.

If you ignore the swinging part, the ride is as good as Wolf (which IMHO was only a "good" ride, not "great".) The secrets being withheld in the Black Forest can only make it better.

Paul

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 4/26/12 7:06:29 PM
Fair enough. I see what you're saying Paul, I was unfairly comparing BBW's Bavarian Village trek directly to V-bolt's track before the Black Forest, so this is how I correlate (speculative of course) which three sections is better concerning the new and the old.

BBW's first lift hill vs V-Bolt's track before the Black Forest

Pretty much a wash.

BBW's Bavarian Village vs V-Bolt's Black Forest

I'll be shocked if the Black Forest isn't decisively more thrilling, and I'm a person that loved the old Bavarian Village.

BBW's Rhine River drop vs V-Bolt's broken bridge Rhine drop.

I'll be shocked if V-Bolts drop lives up to BBW's with those intense positive-G's, and that outta control feeling. I'm expecting V-Bolt's river drop to be smooth and controlled, and as for the airhills, you know my take on those, 'Sometimes they deliver air, and sometimes they don't'.

So the final verdict? Even. JK, or course I will not truly know until I ride V-bolt. :)

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Re: New For 2012 by sarki7 sarki7 Profile at 4/27/12 3:57:41 PM
Re: Superman @SFDK - We've got track!

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Re: New For 2012 Photo by drachen drachen Profile at 4/27/12 8:43:22 PM
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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 4/30/12 4:46:17 AM
Here's a new moderate length Verbolten test run vid.

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F8sjw9f7uII

Re: New For 2012 Photo by drachen drachen Profile at 5/2/12 12:39:31 PM
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Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 5/2/12 12:42:12 PM
That's a lot of dummies! Looks like a ventriloquists convention!
Re: New For 2012 Photo by drachen drachen Profile at 5/2/12 4:26:43 PM
beastmaster said:

That's a lot of dummies! Looks like a ventriloquists convention!

It is a silly image, seeing all of those dummies fill the train. Looks like a TPR event...

Anyway, I didn't know where else to share this, so I thought I would here. Today was also the day that sooperdooperLoop had at least one of its new trains installed. Photo below...


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Re: New For 2012 by sarki7 sarki7 Profile at 5/2/12 4:33:10 PM
drachen said:

It is a silly image, seeing all of those dummies fill the train. Looks like a TPR event...

Anyway, I didn't know where else to share this, so I thought I would here. Today was also the day that sooperdooperLoop had at least one of its new trains installed.

Ha - I'm learning (and liking) more about this board every day. :}

Where did this new train come from? Was it done by Wieland? I remember he had some train models at IAAPA a while ago, but not sure if he's still in the industry. Also heard that he was working for Gerstlauer.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/2/12 5:08:43 PM
sarki7 said:

Ha - I'm learning (and liking) more about this board every day. :}

Where did this new train come from? Was it done by Wieland? I remember he had some train models at IAAPA a while ago, but not sure if he's still in the industry. Also heard that he was working for Gerstlauer.

They are from Gerstlauer. I can't wait to give them a spin. I hope Magic Mountain is paying attention...

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Re: New For 2012 by looper77 at 5/2/12 11:14:41 PM
drachen said:

beastmaster said:

That's a lot of dummies! Looks like a ventriloquists convention!

It is a silly image, seeing all of those dummies fill the train. Looks like a TPR event...

Anyway, I didn't know where else to share this, so I thought I would here. Today was also the day that sooperdooperLoop had at least one of its new trains installed. Photo below...


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Interesting looking trains! I love the retro orange and silver colors. Not sure what I think of the nose of the train though...

It's interesting that they decided to go with the retro orange trains, but didn't paint the structure and track back to it's original colors. In any event, the orange trains against the blue structure is going to be very striking.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 5/3/12 5:57:16 AM
looper77 said:

drachen said:

beastmaster said:

That's a lot of dummies! Looks like a ventriloquists convention!

It is a silly image, seeing all of those dummies fill the train. Looks like a TPR event...

Anyway, I didn't know where else to share this, so I thought I would here. Today was also the day that sooperdooperLoop had at least one of its new trains installed. Photo below...


.

Interesting looking trains! I love the retro orange and silver colors. Not sure what I think of the nose of the train though...

It's interesting that they decided to go with the retro orange trains, but didn't paint the structure and track back to it's original colors. In any event, the orange trains against the blue structure is going to be very striking.

Blue and Orange! It's a METS coaster!!

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 5/3/12 11:29:47 AM
beastmaster said:


Blue and Orange! It's a METS coaster!!

Does that mean I can't ride it?! I like Sooper Dooper Looper! Damn! ;~)

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 5/3/12 11:34:00 AM
drachen said:

Skyrush Tested today. Look at that thing! A picture says a thousand words...

LOVE the seating! I just wish the restraints were more like the B&M hypers but they look comfortable enough. We'll have to get the details for our little URC trip started soon! Do you all think this will open on time? Looks promising so far.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 5/3/12 11:57:54 AM
GoYanks34 said:

beastmaster said:



Blue and Orange! It's a METS coaster!!

Does that mean I can't ride it?! I like Sooper Dooper Looper! Damn! ;~)

Jen

We'll make an exception for you, Doctor.

Re: New For 2012 by Eric_Gieszl Eric_Gieszl Profile at 5/3/12 12:50:24 PM
Overbanked said:

How is Glenwood Springs?

It's far from an "outpost". It's a small town on the western slope that basically is the junction of I-70 and Highway 82, which leads to Aspen and Snowmass Ski Area. There isn't much there, but the hot springs is a popular tourist spot and Glenwood Caverns is another popular attraction. The cavern tour is great and they have some cool rides.

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 5/7/12 12:11:32 AM
Here's a X-Flight POV on the link below; It looks like the hangar tunnel isn't finished yet. From the POV, the keyhole twist doesn't exactly have the extreme effect that I was hoping for, but then again, it could be a matter of finding the 'sweet spot' seat.

www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/69761990/News/Soar-with-the-X-Flight-wing-coaster

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 5/8/12 11:34:47 AM
I just watched a video of Skyrush and man....I must admit, I am WAY more pumped about Skyrush and Leviathan than Verbolten.

I understand Verbolten will be an awesome ride, but still...Skyrush looks SILKY smooth and if the drop has a halt at the top, that is gonna be so fun. I loved how Griffon does that (BGW).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkIGfuaASMY

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/8/12 11:57:00 AM

I like this one better. It is looking pretty sweet. Only a few more weeks to go...

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 5/11/12 2:07:52 PM
Here's some Verbolten info concerning the special effects within the Black Forest; It's a SPOILER ALERT, so if you don't want to know, don't click on the link. Aw, C'mon, you know that you wanna click it. :)

www.themeparks.about.com/od/rollercoasternews/a/Verbolten-Busch-Gardens-Williamsburg.htm

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 5/11/12 2:48:50 PM
Overbanked said:

Here's some Verbolten info concerning the special effects within the Black Forest; It's a SPOILER ALERT, so if you don't want to know, don't click on the link. Aw, C'mon, you know that you wanna click it. :)


www.themeparks.about.com/od/rollercoasternews/a/Verbolten-Busch-Gardens-Williamsburg.htm

You did well to warn me..but I couldn't help myself. I'm sure my hearing will negate the audio component, but the rest of it sounds pretty neat. I doubt I'll make it to the Black Forest this season, though. Debby invited me to join them next weekend, but I shan't be doing so. Who knows if Verbolten will even be Ver-open?

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 5/12/12 12:58:04 PM
Leviathan may be bigger, but I am liking what I see here at Port Aventura a lot better.


Paul

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/13/12 9:30:08 PM
Spain is calling my name... particularly Port Aventura. Shambhala didn't help me remedy the need I feel to get there.
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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 5/14/12 12:05:25 AM
alpengeistno3 said:

Leviathan may be bigger, but I am liking what I see here at Port Aventura a lot better.

I totally agree Paul, Shambhala actually has a 'personality' if you know what I mean; One tunnel in the first trough, a nice aesthetically pleasing watersplash, and a killer looking speedy low airtime hill(that I'll be shocked if it doesn't give significant air, even with the trim), not to mention the other untrimmed air hills. Hell, it might be the best hyper in 2012.

IMO the 2012 North America crop if coasters looks pretty solid, but I can't say that it's reminiscent of 2006 by no means.

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Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 5/14/12 12:31:38 PM
Looks like that Galveston pier place in TX is opening soon! I might never make it there but that is awesome that it was built.

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Re: New For 2012 by alpengeistno3 at 5/14/12 9:36:04 PM
Overbanked said:

I totally agree Paul, Shambhala actually has a 'personality' if you know what I mean; One tunnel in the first trough, a nice aesthetically pleasing watersplash, and a killer looking speedy low airtime hill(that I'll be shocked if it doesn't give significant air, even with the trim), not to mention the other untrimmed air hills. Hell, it might be the best hyper in 2012.

Don't forget the ampersand turnaround that has never been done before. It's like a combo of an upward helix and a descending one all in one seamless element. I really want to see one of these come to North America. I think Shambhala will prove to be the best hyper B&M has ever built.

Paul

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/18/12 9:37:06 AM
Some one over at the Project 2012 Facebook group attended a meeting about Skyrush. He took some notes that I'd like to share here.

Two points that I took as surprising are in bold.

Just attended an informational session on “Skyrush: Behind the Scenes” presented by Kent Bachman at the Hershey Country Club this evening. Intamin/IntaRide “turned over the keys” to HP today and Kent was on the first ride with humans! As he told me- “words cannot describe it”. He was on a wing seat, and said he was holding on pretty tight!. Some of his more important comments clarified some things we’d been wondering about, and he also shared some new info, some of it from the accelerometers and/or Fred the crash test dummy. I took notes and think I have it all correct:

•The “advertised” ride height of 200’ is the actual drop; the 212’ (from the permit) is to the creek floor.

•Max g-force = just under 5.0 at bottom of first drop. (smile for the camera)

•Max NEGATIVE g-force is -2.0! Now that’s some airtime!

•Although published stats say 5 airtime hills, the data recorder shows 7, including the rear of the train over the lift hill, just as we suspected.

•Max speed has been 76.3 MPH, also at bottom of first drop. This is just outside the planned envelope….he said they MAY (his words) trim it just a shade to 76.0

•Ride time start of lift to return: 63 seconds

•Each train weighs 16 tons, EMPTY.

•I loved this one: 1.5 BILLION scan points were catalogued of all the existing rides, structures, terrain, etc. prior to starting design layouts

•Also as suspected, the two mis-painted cross braces on the south tower were just that, a mistake. They will eventually be blue. LOL

•300 cubic yards of concrete are at the bottom of the lift hill at the station. That’s 48 standard concrete-mixer trucks full.

•There will be no light beacon at the top of lift hill because of its proximity to the Kissing Tower.

•The mini-pile footers vary in depth from 30’ to 130’; Skyrush has 173 support columns for the track; in comparison, Bear has 196, for a coaster 800’ shorter. This was mainly possible due to the double-spine truss design of the track and was an important factor in keeping the costs down.

•And this surprising one… and I specifically asked to make sure I heard correctly: If you are over 6’5” tall, you will NOT be permitted to ride. There will be a guide stick for the ops that has the minimum 54” and the maximum 77”. It has nothing to do with arm reach, but rather the average length of the lower leg from knee to (pointed) toes, which I guess due to the train/seat configuration, could catch on something. That’ll upset some folks, but not as much as if they had half their foot hacked off.

-2.0 G's... that is insane.

Trimming already? It's not even open yet... I don't get how a new ride can need trims before it's even open.

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Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 5/18/12 10:18:14 AM
I am '6 "5...........this makes me extremely nervous that I might not be able to ride.........


:(

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/18/12 10:23:03 AM
mugen828 said:

I am '6 "5...........this makes me extremely nervous that I might not be able to ride.........

Wear very thin shoes... good luck!

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 5/18/12 10:29:18 AM
drachen said:

mugen828 said:

I am '6 "5...........this makes me extremely nervous that I might not be able to ride.........

Wear very thin shoes... good luck!

I was just going to say that and you beat me to it. Bring a pair of those thin, crappy flip flops (you could probably keep them in a pocket) and put your sneakers in a locker before you ride.

If the problem is leg length they should be measuring that - from floor to hip/waist. Guys have shorter legs than women and longer torsos so a man who is 6"5' will have shorter legs than a woman of the same height or shorter.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by mugen828 mugen828 Profile at 5/18/12 11:51:09 AM
GoYanks34 said:

drachen said:

mugen828 said:

I am '6 "5...........this makes me extremely nervous that I might not be able to ride.........

Wear very thin shoes... good luck!

I was just going to say that and you beat me to it. Bring a pair of those thin, crappy flip flops (you could probably keep them in a pocket) and put your sneakers in a locker before you ride.

If the problem is leg length they should be measuring that - from floor to hip/waist. Guys have shorter legs than women and longer torsos so a man who is 6"5' will have shorter legs than a woman of the same height or shorter.

Jen


My legs are super long. I don't understand the height limit.

On a ride like Fly The Great Nor Easter I am SUPER nervous bc of the supports and structures going by. I only ride it once each time I visit Morey's.

I was denied on possessed before, despite the limit being 78", I told the ride op I've been on it before (which was true) so I was allowed on. Same thing happened with me at Bizarro at SFNE.

I can touch some cars that are ahead of me, if I reach my leg out (Batman: TR and Nitro) but I don't do that during the ride. I did do that once and it hurt my leg a little bit as the ride's train "folded" due to an inversion, but now I am conscious to never to something like that.

Hmmmm....now that I think about it, I had a touch time fitting into Bizarro's seats. My head was a bit over the headrest and my legs were cramped. I bet the seating isn't meant for '6"6 I bet.

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Re: New For 2012 by theRock-steel theRock-steel Profile at 5/20/12 7:51:55 AM
Skyrush and Verbolten seem like the best new ones for me this year. I don't know what to think of Flying Turns and Apocalypse will be a re-ride as I was on Iron Wolf one time last year. The coaster that I was most looking forward to was Superman Ultimate Flight but northern CA will have to wait.
For flats, the SkyScreamers and WindSeekers might be nice. Lex Luthor sounds crazy!!

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I almost forgot, I plan on sneeking in another trip to Dollywood. This trip was unexpecting.
I suspect that I will like Wild Eagle (probably more so than X-Flight).
I am sure that Leviathan will be the best coaster of 2012 but I will be on it next year.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/21/12 3:03:55 PM
Skyrush POV

It's from Hersheypark, but TPR felt the need to put their stamp on it for some reason...

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Re: New For 2012 by theRock-steel theRock-steel Profile at 5/22/12 6:29:17 AM
WOW what a ride !
This looks better than Superman - Ride Of Steel at SFA (the only other Intamin hyper I rode). I like the short airtime hills over the long turns. The tall floater air hills are the best though (Steel Eel and B&M hypers).
Re: New For 2012 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 5/22/12 5:56:04 PM
GoYanks34 said:

drachen said:

Skyrush Tested today. Look at that thing! A picture says a thousand words...

LOVE the seating! I just wish the restraints were more like the B&M hypers but they look comfortable enough. We'll have to get the details for our little URC trip started soon! Do you all think this will open on time? Looks promising so far.

Jen


I agree, nice to see Intamin copy B&M for a change :) Hard to see from the pic, but is it OTS lap restraints? If only some of their other coasters had that...

Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 5/22/12 9:57:36 PM
Is it just me or does that coaster seem to only have one good drop and nothing much else? The initial drop looks great then looks pretty boring from then on IMO.

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by looper77 at 5/22/12 11:34:15 PM
GoYanks34 said:

Is it just me or does that coaster seem to only have one good drop and nothing much else? The initial drop looks great then looks pretty boring from then on IMO.


Jen

I'd say it looks like it has one good drop, and two good airtime hills. and not much else... LOL

It looks to travel pretty fast over the two crossover airtime hills, but I don't see how the 3rd and 5th airtime hills will actually produce airtime. The 3rd airtime hill is twisty, while the last hill is banked, yet the park calls both of those "airtime" hills.

I have always loved Hersheypark, hence my screen name, but I am not so much a fanboy as to not see their faults. This ride costs way too much for what it is. Considering that KD built I-305 for the same price, I just find the fact that this ride is only 3600 feet long ridiculous.

People say the park is out of room, but there are many more creative ways that this ride could have been built, without sitting it on top of Comet.

I guess we will have to wait to hear the reports this Saturday to see if the ride delivers or not. I can't wait to hear the trip reports!

Re: New For 2012 by Cyclone_Phil Cyclone_Phil Profile at 5/23/12 1:14:17 AM
Not to slam the park, but is it the point they just don't want to get rid of their older coasters and the need to make every new coaster fit in some designated space the reason why despite having the money, they still choose to build coasters that are 'ok' instead of going all out to build something awesome?

To me that sounds like a terrible way to appease us coaster fans. I haven't been to the park in years, but I just can't see the logic of having that hyper coaster wrap around comet like that. It just looks wrong.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 5/23/12 5:32:10 AM
GoYanks34 said:

Is it just me or does that coaster seem to only have one good drop and nothing much else? The initial drop looks great then looks pretty boring from then on IMO.


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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 5/23/12 9:35:00 AM
Look for a review Friday evening...

I won't say if I've ridden it yet, but by Friday, the first "official" riders will have ridden, and I will post my thoughts as well.

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 6/3/12 5:29:55 PM
Here's some off-ride footage of Iron Shark on the link below; It's good to see that it has lapbars like Dare Devil Dive, and not those ear beating OTHRs. Iron Shark, and DDD are only 2 of the 15 Eurofighters in the world that have lapbar restraints.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUqmTCQnr20

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Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 6/3/12 7:03:47 PM
Overbanked said:

Here's some off-ride footage of Iron Shark on the link below; It's good to see that it has lapbars like Dare Devil Dive, and not those ear beating OTHRs.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUqmTCQnr20

I still say they should have themed it after WWF and called it the Iron Sheik.

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 6/10/12 9:00:06 PM
Here's some spoiler POV vids of Radiator Springs Racers at Cars Land in Disneyland; It has two Verbolten-esque sections, Paint Shop and Tire Shop. It looks awesome, Disney at it's finest! IMO this craps on any ride that Disney World has to offer. The left coast Disney has been adding UNIQUE flatrides, and they have a very well themed great darkride attraction in RSR to boot. This is what Disney looks like when it's NOT resting on it's laurels with antiquated attractions like so many out east. Now I'm convinced that Disney is the king of theming, before I wasn't so sure with riding the attractions in WDW. Sorry about the mini WDW rant, here's the POV's (first POV is paint, the second is tires)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zve0m5Awmjc&feature=related (Paint Shop)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktjTqo-ONc (Tire Shop)

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 6/30/12 1:21:52 AM
Here's the Superman: Ultimate Flight(SFDK) POV

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cEKYJm8l-A0

Re: New For 2012 by sarki7 sarki7 Profile at 6/30/12 1:35:29 AM
Was just at the Media/VIP event for that today, what a fun time.

Great ride, it's got a little bit of everything. It's so nice to see a major steel coaster built with just lap bars, too! Not quite at the top of my rankings, but in the upper portion for sure.

I just wish the park luck with what will surely be a capacity nightmare. One train - 12 riders. Sure, it's a short cycle, but still. I'm glad I got my dozen+ rides in when I did.

I'll have a trip report up for it in a few days - finishing up Cedar Point still. ;)

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Re: New For 2012 by theRock-steel theRock-steel Profile at 6/30/12 6:51:14 AM
So far:

Skyrush - Too painful

SooperdooperLooper - New trains are more comfortable and roomy; good job

Stinger - Walk on line twice early / broke down mid day; kind of fun but with a little shaking

Sky Screamer at SFGAV - It had a long line, but is much better than the normal swings.

Flying Turns - Pieces in the station are still separated from the part where it is a bobsled. With no trains in sight, I would not count on this anytime soon (2014).

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Not Yet, But Soon:

Apocalypse - With big improvements in theming this could be something.

Verbolten - Everything sounds good. This could be the big one for this year.

Windseeker at Kings Dominion - This looks and seems like a great idea, but there are two big coasters that I still haven't tried yet.

Wild Eagle - This is what I might like best from the B&M wing-riders.

Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 7/7/12 11:15:38 AM

This ride looks insane. Has anyone ridden it yet?

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Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 7/8/12 1:20:06 AM
^^^That is so awesome how Lex Luthor is synced up with Superman; I had no idea that they were gonna sync the entire tower, nice surprise.
Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 7/8/12 6:13:11 AM
Overbanked said:

^^^That is so awesome how Lex Luthor is synced up with Superman; I had no idea that they were gonna sync the entire tower, nice surprise.

My hunch is that they synced the two rides up for the video shoot...you know, holding the DOD cars until the coaster cars started their descent. I don't think it'll be coordinated like that regularly. I may be wrong. But it DOES make for a very cool visual element...from the ground or air. I don't imagine the riders on either will see the other vehicles.

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Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 10/23/12 10:30:07 PM
Eric, out of curiosity, what's the record on URC for most responses to a thread? I don't believe I've ever seen 300...

I was just looking back on this thread, and I realized that 295 is a lot of responses. And most are even thoughtful, meaningful responses, not silly little one-liners. Well done, URC.

Anyway...

Since the year is almost over, I thought I'd follow up a bit and see which of these new rides every got to this year, and which ones turned out to be the favorites.

Of the rides I got to this year, I would rank them accordingly:

1) X-Flight, Six Flags Great America

I really enjoyed this ride. Maybe it's because it broke down, and I only got one ride. But it left me wanting more, in a good way.

I value innovation, and this was new experience for me. The ride was forceful, smooth, and the layout was really something.

2) Skyrush, Hersheypark

I got a good number of rides on it this year. It's a really fun ride, but it has a number of flaws that keep it from being one of my favorites. I won't re-hash them here - they've been discussed at length already.

3) Verbolten, Busch Gardens Williamsburg

Count me among those that were not disappointed with it. I got pretty much what I was expecting with this ride, and it was a lot of fun.

4) Apocalypse, Six Flags America

Hardly a new ride, especially since I already rode it as Iron Wolf. But it looks really good in its new home. It rode pretty well to, I must say. Great, smart addition to the park.

That's all I got this year. I should get Singer this weekend. I plan on getting to Canada's Wonderland in 2013.

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Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 10/24/12 5:24:27 PM
My list is very simular. There's a slight chance, I could still ride Wild Eagle this year. Leviathan was my #1 priority when the year started and still is, but will have to wait to next year. Here is how I rank the new coasters of 2012, I did ride.

1)Skyrush: I was super impressed. My new #2 steel coaster. It has the most extreme air time that I have ever experienced. This coaster exceeded my expectations in every way.

2)X Flight: This was a good ride. Have it ranked #25 on my steel coaster list. The first drop/ inversion is cool and the inversion through the tower is awesome. I was impressed with the positive g's, but disappointed in the inversions. Overall, it fell a bit short of my expectations.

3)Verbolten: Really impressed with the theming and uniqueness. I was expectating a family coaster, but it's much more thrilling. It's a great addition to Busch Gardens.

4)Apocalypse: The ride looks great and they did a half decent job with the theming. This coaster still rides rough. My kids loved it, but too rough for an old man like me.

There were 2 other rides I rode this year that were new this year.

1) Black Widow: Really impressed with this ride. The extra height and angle makes a difference. This is the best frisbee that I have ridden. The air time is insane.

2) Teenage Mutant Turtles Shell Shock: This ride it really unique and super fun. Another flat ride I was really impressed with.

There may be some more rides that were new, and I rode, but that's all that really comes to mind. I think 2012 was a great year for coasters, much better than 2011.

Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 10/24/12 5:46:58 PM
drachen said:

I should get Singer this weekend.

If you're there Saturday. look for me and say hi. I'll be the fat bald guy with an older African-American couple. I will probably be wearing my light-blue Coasting For Kids T-Shirt (unless I do laundry over the next two days so my Walking Dead Tee will be available....

I'm anticipating monster crowds late in the day. Hopefully we'll get all coasters done (Fran and Mike have never been there) and we have Fright Lane for whatever haunts it's good for, so we'll concentrate on those at night. Not sure what time I'll stay til, since I'm hitting GAdv Sunday after Mass.

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Re: New For 2012 by GoYanks34 GoYanks34 Profile at 10/24/12 9:44:31 PM
The only new rides I got to this year were:

Skyrush: WORST pain riding a roller coaster in history. Makes the Viper at SFGAdv seem comfortable. Hated it.

Sky Screamer at SFGadv: Decent family ride and better than the windseekers but nothing to really write home about.

Hope to hit BGE next year for Verbolten and definitely hitting CP for Gatekeeper (oops - wrong thread, LOL).

Jen

Re: New For 2012 by Overbanked Overbanked Profile at 10/24/12 10:38:39 PM
Drachen, you continue to do an awesome job maintaining these 'New for' threads. I haven't ridden any new 2012 attractions, but 2012 has been a great coaster year for me.
Re: New For 2012 by drachen drachen Profile at 10/24/12 11:20:21 PM
Overbanked said:

Drachen, you continue to do an awesome job maintaining these 'New for' threads. I haven't ridden any new 2012 attractions, but 2012 has been a great coaster year for me.

Thanks Overbanked. And congratulations... You are post number 300...

I hear ya. Ou've certainly made your rounds this year. That's what this hobby is all about.

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Re: New For 2012 by beastmaster beastmaster Profile at 10/25/12 6:31:49 AM
My New Rides in 2012:

Windseekers at Kings Dominion and Cedar Point

Sky Screamer at GAdv

Stinger At Dorney (of course, "new" is a relative term in this case)

ThighCrush

Alpine Mountain Coaster at Mountain Creek

Black Widow, Kennywood
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The following attractions are those I got my virgin rides on, although the rides were not new for 2012:

Tickler, Soaring Eagle, Steeplechase, and all Flats at Luna Park, Coney Island

SkyRocket and Little Phantom at Kennywood

Kozmo's Kurves and Black Diamond at Knoebels (I'm unsure if BD opened this season or late last season)

Mike

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Kids are huddled on the beach in a mist...
Re: New For 2012 by augustus35 augustus35 Profile at 10/25/12 12:37:42 PM
There are further growth of B&M's new rollercoaster design, like the Intamin ZacSpin. If Natural Lantern at SFMM is a large hit, and I think it will be, I can see more of these included to other SF recreational areas.
Re: New For 2012 by frontrow frontrow Profile at 10/25/12 3:26:57 PM
2012 was an awesome year for my family and myself. I added 25 coasters, which is a huge number for me. Here are some coasters that were not new for 2012, but new to me.

1)American Thunder
2)Prowler
3)Renegade
4)Griffon
5)Patriot
6)Superman UF SF Great America

Those are only the few of the coasters that really stand out, and have been on my must do list. I also added 3 new parks this year: Valleyfair, Nickelodeon Universe, and Camden Park. We really have had a great year.