Do you think some parks are overrating their coaster inversions?

Ok, I am about as confused as ever. I was doing research on the Vekoma flying dutchmen this morning before work and it has me baffled.

Ok there are 3 in the US. Borg (Stealth), X-Flight, and Batwing.
Batwing and X-Flight are clones and Borg is a prototype and is a bit different. I understand that.

But the websites are all counting the inversions differently.

SFA doesn't list an inversion count
GL counts 7 inversions
Carowinds counts 8 and
rcdb.com counts 5 a piece

Ok who is right here? The parks, Duane, or Vekoma? I look on vekoma's website, and they don't list the inversion count. So I emailed them, waiting for response.

Do you think a lie to fly or a fly to lie (180* flip) an inversion? or an overbanked turn on MF an inversion? I don't but I guess we can let the debate begin.

Katie, who is still awfully confused by the inversion counts.

I think one park that overrated their inversions would have to be SFoG with their Mindbender At one point they said the coaster had three inversions and the overbank turn, but even on Schwarzkopf.coaster.net they say that mindbender has only TWO LOOPS.

Tim.

> SFA doesn't list an inversion count
> GL counts 7 inversions
> Carowinds counts 8 and
> rcdb.com counts 5 a piece

> > Do you think a lie to fly or a fly to lie (180* flip) an
> inversion? or an overbanked turn on MF an inversion? I
> don't but I guess we can let the debate begin.

Well I do believe lie to fly or a fly to lie should be counted as an inversions.A quick definition is "a reversal of position".By counting them as an inversion all three coasters should have 8.How RCDB has them at 5 each,but if you dont count the lie to fly or fly to lie they each would have only 4.
batwing has the horseshoe,loop,and two inline twist(corkscrew)
x-flight has the same but the borg the horseshoe,loop and a double corkscrew and if you count the double corkscrew as one element the the borg only has three inversions. My question would be how did RCDB come up with the inversion count??
JB

> SFA doesn't list an inversion count
> GL counts 7 inversions
> Carowinds counts 8 and
> rcdb.com counts 5 a piece

> > Do you think a lie to fly or a fly to lie (180* flip)
> an
> inversion? or an overbanked turn on MF an inversion? I
> don't but I guess we can let the debate begin.

> Well I do believe lie to fly or a fly to lie should be
> counted as an inversions.A quick definition is "a
> reversal of position".By counting them as an inversion
> all three coasters should have 8.How RCDB has them at 5
> each,but if you dont count the lie to fly or fly to lie
> they each would have only 4.
> batwing has the horseshoe,loop,and two inline
> twist(corkscrew)
> x-flight has the same but the borg the horseshoe,loop and a
> double corkscrew and if you count the double corkscrew as
> one element the the borg only has three inversions. My
> question would be how did RCDB come up with the inversion
> count??
> JB

Duane counts somehow the lie to fly and fly to lie a 1/2 inversion each. That is how he got 5.

Katie

I count only three on The Gueaga version, Vertical Loop and Two corkscrews. The flips are not inversions, Only a switch in riding possition from laying on your back to the flying possition.

Chuck

Here is Vekoma's reply to their flying dutchmen inversions:

Dear Katie,

Our Flying Dutchman (1018 meters) has 7 inversions.

Kind regards
Charlotte van Etten
Account Manager
Vekoma Rides Manufacturing B.V.
Tel.: +31 - (0) 475-409297
Fax: +31 - (0) 475-402115
Mobile: +31 (0) 6-1091-6769

www.vekoma.com

I don't get it, but whatever Vekoma says is what they say their inversions are.

Katie

As for Batwing, SFA did say 8 inversions in the press release.. let's break down all the elements that could be considered inversions on Batwing/X-flight:

1. Lie to Fly (top of lift): 1/2 inversion
2. Horseshoe turn (overbanked turn): 1 inversion
3. Fly to Lie (before loop): 1/2 inversion
4. Lie to Fly (after loop): 1/2 inversion
5. Barrel roll (1st): 1 inversion
6. Barrel roll (2nd): 1 inversion
7. Fly to Lie (before brake run): 1/2 inversion

At that count you get five complete inversions; if you count Lie to Fly/Fly to Lie as a complete inversion each, than you get seven inversions. Inversions on a flying coaster are so much harder to define...

> Ok, I am about as confused as ever. I was doing research on
> the Vekoma flying dutchmen this morning before work and it
> has me baffled.

> Ok there are 3 in the US. Borg (Stealth), X-Flight, and
> Batwing.
> Batwing and X-Flight are clones and Borg is a prototype and
> is a bit different. I understand that.

> But the websites are all counting the inversions
> differently.

> SFA doesn't list an inversion count
> GL counts 7 inversions
> Carowinds counts 8 and
> rcdb.com counts 5 a piece

> Ok who is right here? The parks, Duane, or Vekoma? I look
> on vekoma's website, and they don't list the inversion
> count. So I emailed them, waiting for response.

> Do you think a lie to fly or a fly to lie (180* flip) an
> inversion? or an overbanked turn on MF an inversion? I
> don't but I guess we can let the debate begin.

> Katie, who is still awfully confused by the inversion
> counts.

I agree.Trying to figure out what is considered an inversion on a flying coaster is a kind of dificult but here is something that can help a little bit.When you go through an inversion on a regular non flying coaster your face is in a lower position than your feet.& that,s how the word inversion came in.Because on a regular non flying coaster your body is inverted to the position that your face is in a lower position than your feet are.So generally any time that your feet are in a higher position than your face that is considered an inversion.

Now on a flying coaster trying not to laugh too hard since an inversion on a regular coaster is whenever your face is in a lower position than your feet than on a flying coaster an inversion would have to be whenever your are going downhill because that is the time when your face is in a lower position than your feet lol.so on a flying coaster everytime that you go downhill that is consedered an inversion because that,s the time when your face is in a lower position than your body lol.It,s not so much on a rollover but more on like when your body is inverted to the degree that your face is in a lower position than your feet lol.Ok i have to go now i am laughing much too hard allready but it looks like that is where an inversion is considered on a flying coaster lol.
skc2000

> As for Batwing, SFA did say 8 inversions in the press
> release.. let's break down all the elements that could be
> considered inversions on Batwing/X-flight:

> 1. Lie to Fly (top of lift): 1/2 inversion
> 2. Horseshoe turn (overbanked turn): 1 inversion
> 3. Fly to Lie (before loop): 1/2 inversion
> 4. Lie to Fly (after loop): 1/2 inversion
> 5. Barrel roll (1st): 1 inversion
> 6. Barrel roll (2nd): 1 inversion
> 7. Fly to Lie (before brake run): 1/2 inversion

Don't two halves make a whole? If that's the case, I only count five inversions.

The horseshoe turn isn't exactly an inversion, just a slightly more overbanked overbanked turn.

G-Dog

> As for Batwing, SFA did say 8 inversions in the press
> release.. let's break down all the elements that could be
> considered inversions on Batwing/X-flight:

> 1. Lie to Fly (top of lift): 1/2 inversion
> 2. Horseshoe turn (overbanked turn): 1 inversion
> 3. Fly to Lie (before loop): 1/2 inversion
> 4. Lie to Fly (after loop): 1/2 inversion
> 5. Barrel roll (1st): 1 inversion
> 6. Barrel roll (2nd): 1 inversion
> 7. Fly to Lie (before brake run): 1/2 inversion

> Don't two halves make a whole? If that's the case, I only
> count five inversions.

> The horseshoe turn isn't exactly an inversion, just a
> slightly more overbanked overbanked turn.

> G-Dog
>

I agree G-Dog, I don't get it either, but Vekoma says 7. I am still so damn confused. Someone help this poor diva out!

Katie